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Old 02-25-2013, 10:21 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I think it's great news and shows Nissan actually implementing the whole concept instead of an afterthought. They don't invest this much into a project for minor body work to existing models. Hopefully they follow the AMG and M divisions into producing cars worth mentioning. The Juke and Z, although bear the Nismo name, seem like a start, not an endgame. Don't forget, both aren't exactly new models. If they are designing the next gen Z, it's perfect timing for the new division to get its mojo working on premium high performance models.

Also, I thought they did bring out limited run track versions of the GTR...and when did the GTR become a car that wasn't track ready?
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Old 02-25-2013, 10:35 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I think it's great news and shows Nissan actually implementing the whole concept instead of an afterthought. They don't invest this much into a project for minor body work to existing models. Hopefully they follow the AMG and M divisions into producing cars worth mentioning. The Juke and Z, although bear the Nismo name, seem like a start, not an endgame. Don't forget, both aren't exactly new models. If they are designing the next gen Z, it's perfect timing for the new division to get its mojo working on premium high performance models.

Also, I thought they did bring out limited run track versions of the GTR...and when did the GTR become a car that wasn't track ready?

the current track edition offers some very subtle differences from the regular GTR. It has a 22 lbs (33lb difference from premium) weight savings with a special suspension special seats and brake cooling ducts.
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the current track edition offers some very subtle differences from the regular GTR. It has a 22 lbs (33lb difference from premium) weight savings with a special suspension special seats and brake cooling ducts.
MC are you talking about the track pak? i think he is talking about the Nismo GT3 car that is not street legal
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I think it's great news and shows Nissan actually implementing the whole concept instead of an afterthought. They don't invest this much into a project for minor body work to existing models. Hopefully they follow the AMG and M divisions into producing cars worth mentioning. The Juke and Z, although bear the Nismo name, seem like a start, not an endgame. Don't forget, both aren't exactly new models. If they are designing the next gen Z, it's perfect timing for the new division to get its mojo working on premium high performance models.

Also, I thought they did bring out limited run track versions of the GTR...and when did the GTR become a car that wasn't track ready?
Unfortunately, I think they are going to follow Chevrolet's now dead SS model, just throw a badge on anything with a couple of tiny trinkets and call it a day. There is a reason why Chevy abandoned that line.
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MC are you talking about the track pak? i think he is talking about the Nismo GT3 car that is not street legal


yeah the track pack is what im talking about.

that GT3 is a $400K+ straight up privateer team racecar its RWD and features a racing sequential transmission
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Wow not to excited about nismo, I'm more excited on what the next z will be first than we can talk nismo which is usually crazy expensive.
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Did I miss it? What's the new shade of grey called?
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Old 02-26-2013, 07:15 AM   #38 (permalink)
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When i first bought my 11 Z (my second Z34) I had written Nissan corp a long letter about a lack of product support from Nismo products. I explained to them how a Nismo exhaust/intake/suspension is something that is not advertised, pushed advised or given as an aftermarket accessory through dealerships.
I told them there is way more aftermarket support from Ford and Dodge with Ford racing and Mopar. I explained that GM has no real performance division but still pushes companies like Hennessey etc right from the Dealership. I gave TRD as an example of a car company, that has pretty much destroyed it's racing heritage and builds sub-par sports cars still has respectable aftermarket support. And other examples.

I received a automated reply saying thank u blah blahblah. Nsmo improvements were the BIGGEST part of my letter. Nissan is going to have to make some corvette like sacrifices to make this next Z a hit. The Next gen Nismo can't be the automobile equivalent of a Boob-job.

I must say though, the 2014 nismo is gorgeous imho but our cars need more than appearance packages. I still think the 09-12 look is still as hot looking as it was in 09. The 13 refresh did nothing to improve the Z as a sports car and it's upsetting. Very upsetting. I really hope this New Nismo, isn't just a marketing scheme or JUST a research center. I hope we see some real performance upgrades and a huge increase in AFTERMARKET service from Nissan.
Historically, the Z has performed better than everything in its bracket upon introduction. In 2003, I dare say it was better than the GT, and with the 2005GT, the Revup 350's were still better, and in 2008, the 370Z stomped everything available in its range.

I think Nissan is going to need to break the 400bhp barrier this go 'round. In the last 10 years, their actions point to them doing it. We will see.
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If they want Nismo's to sell as a premium over a standard car, especially a sports car, it needs to be measurably better. With the Z, 18bhp is laughable when it's 100lbs heavier than a base one. Tires and suspension need to be better too. It can only make par with a SP model on braking, cornering and acceleration. Even the figure 8 times or slalom aren't any better. A base sport Z is the poor mans Nismo because it gives 95% of what the Nismo does for $6,000 less. Make it worth it's premium.

I don't mind other sporting or offroad vehicles in the Nismo lineup, but the Nismo Juke is abysmal. 10hp bump and the AWD still has a CVT... Give it 40 more and a 6mt.
The nismo should have been stiffer, yet 30-60lbs lighter. HP should have been closer to 370hp, not 350.

The juke CVT, really doesn't affect it's performance too much. You have to drive it to see how the CVT is programmed to operate in the juke. From a enthusiast perspective, most are quick to shoot down CVT. I'd hate it in the Z. But in a juke. It doesn't hurt the car that much.
But I can't understand why the 6M is only for the FWD versions. I think the transmission choice for that vehicle will change for next gen. It seems there is enough criticism on the CVT for nissan to do something about it... Eventually... Probably once interest is lost in new changes. lol...

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Nothing new for us in the announcement. Start saving for a GT-R.
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Lame announcement.

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Nothing new for us in the announcement. Start saving for a GT-R.
My Z06 experience kindof changed how I view "supercars". I have no use for a GT-R (not that it isn't a sick car, I just don't have an application for it. I wouldn't snub one for free or whatever, so lets not go there, but since I don't track my stuff, I just can't put it to use, sorry.) To me, it's a status-icon only, and I don't care about status or reputation beyond the professional. I have found that the 370Z has just about the right amount of performance for me. Would I turn down 50-75hp more? Nah, but it's not necessary. What would I like? Less weight. Better suspension. Better distribution. More traction (although the 370Z is VERY! well balanced for power/traction, as it sits, IMO, when compared to cars like the mustang, challenger, camaro, etc.)

In short, I want a driver's car with decent creature comforts. It's time for a NAV system design update, time for more upscale materials in the interior (polymer developments, etc. make this possible over time without increasing cost), time to fix the weight distribution, time to improve rebound control, maybe an optional MRC type suspension like GM and all the other high-end manufacturers have gone to on their sports cars. GM owns suspension development. Nissan has piggy-backed on Ford for help with their GT-R engine, they need to hit GM up for some suspension tips.

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This whole announcement is just confusing to me, what exactly is the direction Nissan is taking here? They are racing experimental cars in Le Mans and a V8 RWD Altima in Australia that you cannot buy. Why in the world aren't they making a push to race something in North America? Why aren't they attempting to make the Z a known car in the racing world? Unless they plan on selling their experimental cars and V8 RWD altimas this entire thing is just insane to me.
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They just opened the doors. Give it time. They did a pretty bad-*** car back in the day called the 400R and I think they did a pretty okay job with the Nismo 370. Sure we would all like to see more power & massive turbo's, but it's not always the right choice for a company financially. Nissan isn't about to sink millions into something that doesn't sell. They need to sell the affordable stuff in order to finance and develop the limited run stuff. I highly doubt producing & selling 100 "Nismo GT-R's" could finance the whole operation alone. This is one of the reasons a ton of great tuning companies died out. Great cars/parts, but if the consumers don't buy them, they're done for.
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My Z06 experience kindof changed how I view "supercars". I have no use for a GT-R (not that it isn't a sick car, I just don't have an application for it. I wouldn't snub one for free or whatever, so lets not go there, but since I don't track my stuff, I just can't put it to use, sorry.) To me, it's a status-icon only, and I don't care about status or reputation beyond the professional. I have found that the 370Z has just about the right amount of performance for me. Would I turn down 50-75hp more? Nah, but it's not necessary. What would I like? Less weight. Better suspension. Better distribution. More traction (although the 370Z is VERY! well balanced for power/traction, as it sits, IMO, when compared to cars like the mustang, challenger, camaro, etc.)

In short, I want a driver's car with decent creature comforts. It's time for a NAV system design update, time for more upscale materials in the interior (polymer developments, etc. make this possible over time without increasing cost), time to fix the weight distribution, time to improve rebound control, maybe an optional MRC type suspension like GM and all the other high-end manufacturers have gone to on their sports cars. GM owns suspension development. Nissan has piggy-backed on Ford for help with their GT-R engine, they need to hit GM up for some suspension tips.
There are huge misconceptions about GT-R's NOT being drivers cars... the purist perspective is usually a narrow perspective with self perpetuated biases... I couldn't even make GTR judgements till i actually push one to the limit.
My observations/perceptions tell me this car when pushed to its limit, is as exciting or even more exciting than an N/A RWD. But that is just an observation that i won't push as anything more.

3800lbs is kind of heavy, but this things are still pretty well balanced and boost really pushes this car hard. The AWD system on the Gt-R allows it some RWD capability. I would like to see some weight reduction on this car. 3500-3600lbs but, People that drive it never say it feels heavy. I'm sure weight reduction would just make it that much sicker.

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