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UNKNOWN_370 02-20-2013 05:05 PM

John Krafcik confirms either V8 or TTV6?
 
Hyundai's CEO finally ended the rumor and confirmed the next generation Gencoupe WILL either see one out of these two power-plants. Exciting news coming from hyundai. I just hope they can solve the chronic Transmission issues that comes with these cars. None the least, with this news. Hyundai is pushing into a much more competitive segment.

Exciting news.

Hyundai Genesis Coupe to get V8 or Turbo V6 | AutoGuide.com News

XiP 02-20-2013 05:08 PM

Good news, hopefully it makes other manufacturers step up their game :)

nmjaxx9 02-20-2013 05:14 PM

My boy had a supercharged tiburon (now crashed) but when he had it, dammmmmm that **** moved!! But of course no competition to my Z, but props to Hyundai they puttin in work with this one!! :tup:

UNKNOWN_370 02-20-2013 05:52 PM

Yeah, I hope this news kills Nissan rumours or intentions of the Z being a BRZ/FR-S competitor in the future...

LakeShow 02-20-2013 08:55 PM

Ehh!! Hyundai is a Hyundai, and it will most certainly be at least 40k+ and I won't be paying that much for a Hyundai. So many better cars 40k+

UNKNOWN_370 02-21-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LakeShow (Post 2176654)
Ehh!! Hyundai is a Hyundai, and it will most certainly be at least 40k+ and I won't be paying that much for a Hyundai. So many better cars 40k+


How do you know what will be better or worse in 2015/2016? How many TTv6's do you see in the $40k range? If it's a V8? It will probably be in the $36k range...
Right now, hyundai's only "Real Sports Car Problem" is that they have to improve transmission performance/reliabily, needs more chassis rigidity (though more rigid than the E46) and add a little more quality to the suspension.

1. Up until 1988. Nissan was a shyt car and the Z was a cult car. Not a widespread legend in the american community.
2. Honda didn't get their first legs of respect till 1984/1985
3. Mazda 1987
3. Toyota 1982

Hyundai first set foot in the U.S. in 1985. Most of these other cars had been in the U.S. since the late 50's/60's depending on company. It took up to 30 years to earn there respect stripes.
Hyundai has been winning awards over the last 5 years consistently. Gencoupe is a first attempt sports car and they're about 3 improvement areas away from being an equal competitor...
It's still a hyundai? lol. So what's a Nissan??? It's no porsche no matter how close the stats are or were... If you don't like Hyundai as a car company. KEWL, more power to you. But at least come with a Constructive/Factual reason over the "Status quo- wanna-be classist remark of it's still a hyundai" While driving a sub-premium nissan.

cdoxp800 02-21-2013 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by XiP (Post 2176276)
Good news, hopefully it makes other manufacturers (Nissan) step up their game :)


Fixed.. Nissan needs a Factory V6 TT again
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UNKNOWN_370 02-21-2013 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cdoxp800 (Post 2177249)

Fixed.. Nissan seeds a Factory V6 TT again
.

seeds or needs? lol

lemon-fresh 02-21-2013 10:24 AM

VERY exciting news! Really hope this makes competitors (cough nissan cough) step up their game. Especially if hyundai can deliver at a reasonable price point.

theDreamer 02-21-2013 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2176340)
Yeah, I hope this news kills Nissan rumours or intentions of the Z being a BRZ/FR-S competitor in the future...

It won't, Nissan sees the success of the BRZ/FRS and want in on that market.
It is a larger market than the current Z, more buyers at that price point.

Now this could easily mean that Nissan will have 3 levels, cheap RWD, Z level and GT-R.
Especially with he GT-R being 100k, the Z could see a price bump to the 40-50k and more power without moving into GT-R territory and a cheap RWD at 20-30k.

zefaulter 02-21-2013 10:39 AM

Didn't Nissan mention something about reducing the size of Z's engine and adding F/I? It's gonna be a shame if that happens

Skorch 02-21-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2177227)
How do you know what will be better or worse in 2015/2016? How many TTv6's do you see in the $40k range? If it's a V8? It will probably be in the $36k range...
Right now, hyundai's only "Real Sports Car Problem" is that they have to improve transmission performance/reliabily, needs more chassis rigidity (though more rigid than the E46) and add a little more quality to the suspension.

1. Up until 1988. Nissan was a shyt car and the Z was a cult car. Not a widespread legend in the american community.
2. Honda didn't get their first legs of respect till 1984/1985
3. Mazda 1987
3. Toyota 1982

Hyundai first set foot in the U.S. in 1985. Most of these other cars had been in the U.S. since the late 50's/60's depending on company. It took up to 30 years to earn there respect stripes.
Hyundai has been winning awards over the last 5 years consistently. Gencoupe is a first attempt sports car and they're about 3 improvement areas away from being an equal competitor...
It's still a hyundai? lol. So what's a Nissan??? It's no porsche no matter how close the stats are or were... If you don't like Hyundai as a car company. KEWL, more power to you. But at least come with a Constructive/Factual reason over the "Status quo- wanna-be classist remark of it's still a hyundai" While driving a sub-premium nissan.

Thank you. So many ignorant idiots out there that still look at Hyundai as some crap-car, while forgetting that their own cars were in that same boat not long ago. I've owned 3 Hyundais before I owned my 3 Z's, and would certainly own another Hyundai if they make a car appealing to me.

UNKNOWN_370 02-21-2013 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2177512)
It won't, Nissan sees the success of the BRZ/FRS and want in on that market.
It is a larger market than the current Z, more buyers at that price point.

Now this could easily mean that Nissan will have 3 levels, cheap RWD, Z level and GT-R.
Especially with he GT-R being 100k, the Z could see a price bump to the 40-50k and more power without moving into GT-R territory and a cheap RWD at 20-30k.

And that's what i'm hoping. They have 3 levels and they don't downgrade the Z. The stupidest rumor I heard about Nissan BRZ fighter is that it will either be FWD or the Z will be downgraded to compete in the BRZ market. Both those rumors are unacceptable options.

theDreamer 02-21-2013 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2177621)
And that's what i'm hoping. They have 3 levels and they don't downgrade the Z. The stupidest rumor I heard about Nissan BRZ fighter is that it will either be FWD or the Z will be downgraded to compete in the BRZ market. Both those rumors are unacceptable options.

When I read those articles what I am seeing is the author writing his own opinion on the next gen Z and then assumes that this new car is the next Z. When really Nissan is just saying they are working/finishing a new lightweight performance car.

irondoc 02-21-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by zefaulter (Post 2177538)
Didn't Nissan mention something about reducing the size of Z's engine and adding F/I? It's gonna be a shame if that happens

Read this article last summer. My understanding is that Nissan is working on a new sports cars - a "miniZ" to go down market against the BRZ.

Nissan Working on Mini-Z to target FR-S/BRZ - Motor Trend

I have also read that the actual successor to the current Z will focus on losing weight rather than gaining power to achieve better performance numbers.

UNKNOWN_370 02-21-2013 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2177636)
When I read those articles what I am seeing is the author writing his own opinion on the next gen Z and then assumes that this new car is the next Z. When really Nissan is just saying they are working/finishing a new lightweight performance car.

I noticed that too. But, a lot of times, those opinions are based on "Tech-Hints" Nissan drops on the reporters. then they translate to the best of their ability.

Maybe Nissan does this to get a feel of public opinion? Maybe the reporter is just trying to create car buzz??? I don't know. But i can only go by what reporters say and what I factually know and combine the two to make a prediction.

Honestly. I CAN'T predict whats coming next and it's driving me crazy... lol what I do know, i've been highly disappointed with the weak azz refresh. A waste of money.

I do know that the unchanged since 2011 kia optima is getting more praise than the ALL NEW Nissan Altima. The ALL new sentra is not getting much kudo's. The new Versa is not even spoken of. The new pathfinder is a fvckin' minivan now. the leaf is the best in tech breakthrough's. The maxima is bloated and outdated. And then the Cube is...............................A cube?!

The Juke is the next respectable car after the Z. The juke is being updated twice as fast as the Z. I'm just wanting a positive something about the next gen Z. Nissan seems to be going downhill in appealing design on other cars.

m4a1mustang 02-21-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2177695)
. Nissan seems to be going downhill in appealing design on other cars.

But... CVT and zero gravity seats, brah. :icon17:

Imtired 02-21-2013 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by irondoc (Post 2177666)
I have also read that the actual successor to the current Z will focus on losing weight rather than gaining power to achieve better performance numbers.

I wish they would do both...

ZKraken22 02-21-2013 01:25 PM

This sucks!! I thought this thread was gonna be about the next Z. I dont care what Hyundai wants to do. The car is ugly in my opionion... well the 2013 version. Nissan has history and has earned it's strips. Will the Gencoupe be around for 50 years. i personally dont think so. Hyundai is doing a lot of things right, "right now" But you wanna see a consistant trend of promise from them. earn my respect if you want my money. Until then Hyundai has and always will be a after thought to me. It's kinda like the Atlanta felcons. they had the best record in the NFC but you just dont trust them come play off time. The Gencoupe looks better then the Z on paper but just does not get the job done (the Gencoupe is actually targeting the Z) which to me is a fail i dont care if it's the first sports car ppl are still spending money on the car.

Cmike2780 02-21-2013 02:11 PM

If Hyundai goes through with either a V8 or TT V6, it's going to be a priced close to $47k....That's roughly the premium you pay for the Genesis V8 Sedan over the V6 Sedan. That's a tough pill to swallow, especially when the Mustang's & Z are due for a re-design. That's also close to the new Corvette Stingray's territory. That Hyundai V8 can't compare to the 6.2-liter LT1. Hyundai has to go with a turbo'd V6 and keep it below $40k to be successful. Truthfully, it doesn't really matter what they stuff under the hood, the Gen Coupe needs a better overall design.

Imtired 02-21-2013 03:01 PM

I think once hyundai works their korean magic, I think the top of the line gen coupe would be no more than 40k. Anything more than that and they are pricing themselves out of the market. Maybe they would lose the 2.0T altogether to bump it upmarket a bit.

UNKNOWN_370 02-21-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ZKraken22 (Post 2177865)
This sucks!! I thought this thread was gonna be about the next Z. I dont care what Hyundai wants to do. The car is ugly in my opionion... well the 2013 version. Nissan has history and has earned it's strips. Will the Gencoupe be around for 50 years. i personally dont think so. Hyundai is doing a lot of things right, "right now" But you wanna see a consistant trend of promise from them. earn my respect if you want my money. Until then Hyundai has and always will be a after thought to me. It's kinda like the Atlanta felcons. they had the best record in the NFC but you just dont trust them come play off time. The Gencoupe looks better then the Z on paper but just does not get the job done (the Gencoupe is actually targeting the Z) which to me is a fail i dont care if it's the first sports car ppl are still spending money on the car.

1. If you don't know who John Krafcik is vs Carl Ghosen? you shouldn't even be speaking about which cars have heritage. Go on wiki and learn the heritage you're talking about.
2.The gencoupe has NEVER targeted the Z from a commercial standpoint. It has targeted G37 and mustang directly. 3 series indirectly. The closest we"ve ever been as targets is the gencoupe owners try to tune there cars to be as fast as ours through intake, exhaust and tune.
3. You're in the other vehicles section. Why would Z news be here??? I hope you're not going troll on here cuz you will feel it in the end??? Just a warning.

UNKNOWN_370 02-21-2013 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2177700)
But... CVT and zero gravity seats, brah. :icon17:

You don't know what you're missing with Zero Gravity seats!!! lol:icon18:

Shamu 02-21-2013 09:27 PM

Let me see porky 3700 lb v8 genesis or a 2700 to 2800 lb turbo 4 Z. I now which I would buy!

Hyundai is so boring I could scream! Wonder if they are considering any aluminum suspension pieces this next Gen? They are definitely keeping pace with 2005 Mustang however!

ZKraken22 02-21-2013 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2178196)
1. If you don't know who John Krafcik is vs Carl Ghosen? you shouldn't even be speaking about which cars have heritage. Go on wiki and learn the heritage you're talking about.
2.The gencoupe has NEVER targeted the Z from a commercial standpoint. It has targeted G37 and mustang directly. 3 series indirectly. The closest we"ve ever been as targets is the gencoupe owners try to tune there cars to be as fast as ours through intake, exhaust and tune.
3. You're in the other vehicles section. Why would Z news be here??? I hope you're not going troll on here cuz you will feel it in the end??? Just a warning.

1. I know who Carl Ghosen is and no i dont know john krafcik. Yes I did think it was someone in nissan in the higher up's who was simply throwing us a bone at a interview. So what. I can speak about what the hell i wanna speak about who are you to tell me what i should and shouldnt speak about? I'm sure a lot of people on this forum dont know who John Krafcik is, get a life that's pathic to pick a fight with me because i dont know who John Krafcik is. That does not take away my knowledge of cars.

2. A Magazine/ website have mentioned the Gencoupe in the same breath as the Z as a possible contender when the Gencoupe was gettin the extra HP. thats obviously something you missed Mr know it all. And no im not gonna go find the page and sentence.

3. I hit new posts like i always do and this was on the top. so no i didnt specifically go to the "other vehicles section" so thats why.

This guy is seriously threatening me on the computer? wow no im sorry i will never feel it in the end. Dont act like a girl because i dont respect the Gencoupe. Then you wanna pull the troll card like im suppose to care. I'm on here givng my opinion like everyone else. Weirdo

Japanjay 02-22-2013 02:32 AM

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UNKNOWN_370 02-22-2013 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ZKraken22 (Post 2178627)
1. I know who Carl Ghosen is and no i dont know john krafcik. Yes I did think it was someone in nissan in the higher up's who was simply throwing us a bone at a interview. So what. I can speak about what the hell i wanna speak about who are you to tell me what i should and shouldnt speak about? I'm sure a lot of people on this forum dont know who John Krafcik is, get a life that's pathic to pick a fight with me because i dont know who John Krafcik is. That does not take away my knowledge of cars.

2. A Magazine/ website have mentioned the Gencoupe in the same breath as the Z as a possible contender when the Gencoupe was gettin the extra HP. thats obviously something you missed Mr know it all. And no im not gonna go find the page and sentence.

3. I hit new posts like i always do and this was on the top. so no i didnt specifically go to the "other vehicles section" so thats why.

This guy is seriously threatening me on the computer? wow no im sorry i will never feel it in the end. Dont act like a girl because i dont respect the Gencoupe. Then you wanna pull the troll card like im suppose to care. I'm on here givng my opinion like everyone else. Weirdo

1. If you're in the "Other Vehicle" forum what makes you think its Nissan news??????????????????????????????????????? Really???????????
You're knowledge of cars and you spewing out the word heritage don't go hand in hand. And all im saying is don't troll. You started off in a troll like way. Just letting you know trolling wont be tolerated. You can speak freely as long as it's not ignorant personal bias.

2. A reviewer may be comparing but hyundai's market research & sales department is who states who they compete against. Not the shmuck who wrote your favorite article

3. You didn't know you were in the "Other vehicles" section? Your fault, not mine. Next time know where you're going and answer accordingly.

YOU NOT RESPECTING the gencoupe is your issue. Here in my thread. WE RESPECT ALL SPORTS CARS at least in the way we publicly write about them. I don't need people from gencoupe forum coming in here to tell us how douchy and elitist we are. We just have reasons why we don't like them. All posts should be at least respectful.
You think it doesn't have enough heritage for you is enough for us to get the message. I don't want this to be a bashing thread. You don't like it? You can't come up with an educated response or reason why you don't like a vehicle? Keep it to yourself!! All im saying is. Bring your car knowledge. Not your ignorant insults with no point but elitism and bias.

Lastly, no one is threatening anything. We been able to avoid trolling here for a long time. I don't want the trend to restart. Your style of writing incites senseless troll posts.
:tiphat:

P.S. Don't get your Kotex in a bunch...

UNKNOWN_370 02-22-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 2178558)
Let me see porky 3700 lb v8 genesis or a 2700 to 2800 lb turbo 4 Z. I now which I would buy!

Hyundai is so boring I could scream! Wonder if they are considering any aluminum suspension pieces this next Gen? They are definitely keeping pace with 2005 Mustang however!

They're doing much better than 2005 mustang. But i agree that the steel iron suspension parts are probably what kill the current gen coupe as well as the transmissions. the 2013 is kinda ugly too but..

2013 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track vs 2013 Ford Mustang V6 Performance Package - YouTube

As it stands right now I would rather choose a Z BUT. Hyundai did say they would focus on weight reduction on the next gen car as well in a previous article... If they go with the proper suspension, better sport pkg wheels and a few chassis & interior tweaks. they could be looking at a 200lb drop. which means they might be able to get away with a bigger motor and a 30-80lb weight reduction from the current car?

DR_ 02-22-2013 09:49 AM

I had a student that I instructed at The Drivers Edge that had a new Gen Coupe 2.0T. It did not feel anything near 274hp and the handling was terrible. It blew up the trans before the end of the weekend, which I was thankful for as I just wanted out of that POS.

Apoc370z 02-22-2013 03:47 PM

Here is how people usually think, you only need a few people to say "certain car brand sucks" and it will spread like wild fire. This is pretty much the case for hyundais, a lot of bad reputations, rumors or not.. That is why people will always have that first impression.

Look at this with a more open mind, no doubt that hyundais have improved over the years, but people will always be like "yes i know they are improving, but are they the same level as such and such car brands?"

SS_Firehawk 02-22-2013 05:11 PM

Any good news for Hyundai Gen fans is good news for us. If they are targeting the G or Q or w/e they call it, it pushes up the competitiveness of the Infiniti to compete. Z shares a lot with the G/Q. It's been an indicator of what we as Z fans should expect. If Hyundai pushes for 400hp, Infiniti won't stand idle. They do have a 400hp 5.0 and a 5.6 sitting in the FX and M models. They can also have the VR38 which I'm sure will somehow find it's way in the IPL line. Seeing that the Nismo is at 350hp with an engine that made it's debut in 2008, chances are good 400+hp is already being worked. Now if Hyundai can fix the aesthetics and drivetrain (suspension included), they may be real contenders next time around.

UNKNOWN_370 02-22-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Apoc370z (Post 2179650)
Here is how people usually think, you only need a few people to say "certain car brand sucks" and it will spread like wild fire. This is pretty much the case for hyundais, a lot of bad reputations, rumors or not.. That is why people will always have that first impression.

Look at this with a more open mind, no doubt that hyundais have improved over the years, but people will always be like "yes i know they are improving, but are they the same level as such and such car brands?"

they're actually doing well outsude the sports car arena. In the sports car arena they are ahead of v6 muscle. No one is saying they are superior. But it's a work in progress. Guys that own genesis coupes are investing in hopes of a brighter future in the sports car world. many are taking the time and giving hyundai the input to improve the car.

What i really respect about hyundai is they have the Hyundai think Tank. This is where owners can give a wide array of feedback to Hyundai about future improvements. I never had Nissan ask me about improvements for my Z. Just some third party company asking about what we would like in our altimas. I know it was a sample survey and not the per customer type from hyundai.

This is why I follow their growth in spite of... That's as open minded as you can get.

SS_Firehawk 02-22-2013 08:22 PM

I got like 5 surveys emailed to me over the course of a year for my Z

Z_ealot 02-22-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2179939)
they're actually doing well outsude the sports car arena. In the sports car arena they are ahead of v6 muscle. No one is saying they are superior. But it's a work in progress. Guys that own genesis coupes are investing in hopes of a brighter future in the sports car world. many are taking the time and giving hyundai the input to improve the car.

What i really respect about hyundai is they have the Hyundai think Tank. This is where owners can give a wide array of feedback to Hyundai about future improvements. I never had Nissan ask me about improvements for my Z. Just some third party company asking about what we would like in our altimas. I know it was a sample survey and not the per customer type from hyundai.

This is why I follow their growth in spite of... That's as open minded as you can get.


you forgot about project 370Z...im sure someone at nissan is taking the time to read over that and im pretty sure the comments that have been left by people on that page have some things to say about whats lacking in the current z or what they would like to see in the next z just like we do here. nissan may not have their own comments section on their website, but they are still involved in social media. Any way im glad that hyundai has been continually improving upon the genesis cause in the end it makes other manufacturers sit up and take notice ie. Nissan

UNKNOWN_370 02-23-2013 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot (Post 2180127)
you forgot about project 370Z...im sure someone at nissan is taking the time to read over that and im pretty sure the comments that have been left by people on that page have some things to say about whats lacking in the current z or what they would like to see in the next z just like we do here. nissan may not have their own comments section on their website, but they are still involved in social media. Any way im glad that hyundai has been continually improving upon the genesis cause in the end it makes other manufacturers sit up and take notice ie. Nissan

I didn't forget at all about 370z project. But you have to be a forum member to know about it. nissan didn't send me a link for that. I learned that through the forum. Nissan only sent me the GT5 competition thing thats on TV.


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