370Z replacement...suggestions?

m4a1mustang

Dan has limited experience with Hondas. He wouldn't know a thing.

I have an AP2. I find the steering to be very responsive. It does have good feedback, but it is muted. At the limit I am definitely relying on feedback in my buttocks, legs, feet, ears, eyes, more than my hands (except for when I reach over and grab one of six gorgeous, silky smooth gears ).

Regardless, the car is a rush of feedback even though it might not have as much from the wheel.

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Tribalpinoy91

Audi a4 2009+ you can find many under $30,000 with less than 15k miles.

Red__Zed

Absolutely have looked at these complaints. If you read through most of them, I completely understand where the complainers are coming from. For many of them, the S2000 was their first EPS sports car experience. I remember the hoopla in 99--a lot of people felt no sports car could ever sell with EPS. The S2000 is very much "numb" compared to a traditional PS setup.

The important thing to keep in mind is the feel of steering is very much relative. Does the 370z provide good feedback? My answer would be...compared to my mustang, yes. Compared to my S2000, the 370Z felt terrible.

That said-- can it be said that the steering FEEL is better/worse between the 370z & S2000? Sure. Many people will in fact prefer the steering feel of the 370z. However, claiming the S2000 lacks FEEDBACK relative to the 370Z (in any meaningful way) the way you did looks like you either a) don't have a clue what you are talking about or b) are out trolling


Given your previous claims of being the only man alive that can feel the L/R articulation of a solid rear axle, I'm inclined to believe it is the latter.

Davey

It was mine as well, and the 370Z has a traditional hydraulic power steering system. So perhaps that tells you where I'm coming from. I don't think the 370Z's steering feel is the best ever, but I do think it's better than the S2000, which was annoyingly numb IMO.

Agree.

Disagree. But I would agree that the S2000 had better feedback than the Mustang, which feels more like a video game than driving IMO.

I made it quite clear I'm talking about feedback and not feel, and speaking of having a clue what you're talking about, by your own words the S2000 steering feel is lacking compared to a "traditional power steering setup" which is what the 370Z has.

Edit: Never mind, I'll take the high road and let you be the troll.

Davey

I wasted all that time replying to the wrong guy.

The steering IS very responsive, and is muted. It's the one bad thing I could actually say about the S2000.

Red__Zed

There are plenty of numb hydro setups. That by itself means nothing.

you must have me confused with someone else. Perhaps M4A1mustang?

Davey

There are even more numb EPS setups, though.

Red__Zed

but we're talking about the excellent one in the S2000, not my mustang.

m4a1mustang

I still think we should calibrate sensitivities.

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m4a1mustang

So I think there's one thing Davey, Dan, and myself can agree on: If we're not getting enough in our hands we should at least be getting enough in the butt to compensate.









Oh yeah.

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Davey

If you honestly think that an EPS developed in 1999 (well, before then obviously, but close enough) has better feedback than the hydraulic power steering in the 370Z then you are entitled to your opinion, but I find it hard to believe.

The steering feel in the S2000 is better, it's certainly more precise in response. Maybe I focused more on the feedback aspect and got a negative vibe from it, and you focused more on the overall feel and got a positive vibe from it.

In any case I do believe that EPS sucks and I haven't driven a car with it that I like yet, but it looks like before long I won't have a choice.

Red__Zed

That's possible. It's also possible you are wrong and stupid and no one likes you.

Davey

No it isn't! Mom says I'm a great kid!

m4a1mustang

Have you driven the latest Porsche EPS? Quite good.

In any case, how we interpret feedback is highly driver specific. Some people are more seat of the pants drivers while others might rely more on the feel from the steering wheel. I know I've always been more of a seat of the pants type of driver, so I probably don't require as much "feedback" from the wheel since I'm getting enough everywhere else. I "know" what the car is going to do based on my inputs and don't really rely on what I'm feeling from the wheel itself.

This probably explains why I like a car that rotates off the outside rear wheel and rotates very, very easily. I think people that prefer a tighter car (bias towards understeer) would rely more on the steering wheel than their butt.

Edit: And Dan, when the car doesn't do as I expect I simply Steve it.

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