370Z replacement...suggestions?

Davey · 01-17-2013, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

In the context of comparing far upmarket, sure. I actually remember people bitching about the electric steering. A lot of those complaints are outdated at this point.

Far more feedback than the 370z, though, which is what he has as a reference...

First, a Miata isn't upmarket, nor is an RX8.

Second, I owned an S2000, and own a 370Z, and IMO he Z has far more feedback than the S2000. Your opinion is the opposite. Isn't that fun? I guess we should start calling each other fanboys now.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

My thoughts exactly. It might not have as much steering feel as other cars, but it's still good. Better than the heavy but muted feel from the 370Z, IMO.

Disagree.

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And of course you get far more butt, foot, transmission, and aural feedback in the S2000 than you do in most other cars.

Agree.

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I'm very sensitive.

No comment.

m4a1mustang · 01-17-2013, 11:52 AM

We should get together and calibrate our sensitivity. :|

Davey · 01-17-2013, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

We should get together and calibrate our sensitivity. :|

m4a1mustang · 01-17-2013, 11:57 AM

What's funny is that it really highlights how each driver is different.

You could look at NASCAR as an example. Teammates Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson might run identical lap times, but they do it with COMPLETELY different setups. Have them switch cars and they will hate it and probably run slower times.

daisuke149 · 01-17-2013, 12:13 PM

You two is homo.

OP needs get 135i M package. EOS

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-17-2013, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I've had my complaints about the 370Z, but I would not rather own the Z06. Also, I am not considering very heavily getting back into a C6, either. Things I value are: Interior, Handling, in that order. The Z06 just fell on its face for interior. Now, instead of buying a new GT500 or something, I am wanting to stay at the $35K or under mark for the sake of buying land and a house later in the semi-near future.

$35k and not a Z?

RWD
Hyundai Genesis coupe 3.8 track manual, $34k
Hyundai genesis coupe 3.8 R-spec $29k
Hyundai genesis coupe 2.0 Rspec $26k

Subaru BRZ Limited fully loaded $31k
Scion FR-S loaded " $29k

FWD
VW GTi fully loaded $35k
Mazdaspeed 3 " $28k
Focus Sti " $31k
Civic Si " $26k
Hyundai veloser turbo " $28k

AWD
Subaru WRX Sti base $36k
Mitsu evo GSR $34k
VW Golf R $36k

Take your pic. No RWD have better handling than the Z with the same power level unless you go AWD.

Muscle cars with different function and purpose

Mustang Gt with track pack $35k (interior????)
Camaro SS 1LE $38k (3 grand over interior????? try n deal)
Challenger R/T $35k (nice interior terrible handling)

Red__Zed · 01-17-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey

First, a Miata isn't upmarket, nor is an RX8.

Second, I owned an S2000, and own a 370Z, and IMO he Z has far more feedback than the S2000. Your opinion is the opposite. Isn't that fun? I guess we should start calling each other fanboys now.

No comment.

No fanboyism here, just objective commentary that is largely considered accurate by folks that have driven both.

There's of course a major variable- what year s2000 did you have?

UNKNOWN_370 · 01-17-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

bmw 135i M package CPO. should be in your price range. one of the better driving cars and nice interior and comfortable.

i test drove this car. Its awesome, but it can use the dinan LSD/stage1 pkg as well as a 1.5" drop. Never drove a car i didn't want to improve. I think Import is looking for a $35k ferrari. lol

lemon-fresh · 01-17-2013, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

No fanboyism here, just subjective commentary that is largely considered accurate by folks that have driven both.

There's of course a major variable- what year s2000 did you have?

Fixed. People get those words mixed up all the time.

Red__Zed · 01-17-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

Fixed. People get those words mixed up all the time.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Steering wheel feedback can be, has been, and will continue to be objectively quantified utilizing statistical methods. There's no way EPS systems would be as good as they are without effective methods for analysis.

lemon-fresh · 01-17-2013, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I'm sorry to hear that.

Steering wheel feedback can be, has been, and will continue to be objectively quantified utilizing statistical methods. There's no way EPS systems would be as good as they are without effective methods for analysis.

Crazy, what were they quantifying? Opinions? Is there a formula for measuring steering feel?

Red__Zed · 01-17-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by lemon-fresh

Crazy, what were they quantifying? Opinions? Is there a formula for measuring steering feel?

Perhaps you are confusing feedback (his words) with feel (your words)

Feedback is objective, feel has both objective and subjective components.

lemon-fresh · 01-17-2013, 12:59 PM

I am having a tough time finding a definition of steering feedback. I found an article that seems to equate the two concepts.

What is "steering feel" or "steering feedback? - Ask.cars.com

I also found some kinda interesting papers on objectively measuring steering feel. Maybe when the industry comes up with a standard measure we can get somewhere on this.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...41248874,d.cGE

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...41248874,d.cGE

Maybe there already is a standard? Both feedback and feel both certainly seem to have been subjective measures for quite some time.

speedfreek · 01-17-2013, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Charles Body Shop

This is who is doing the work. I demanded this shop, and since I get to pick by law...that's who's doing it.

Considering they've been in business since 1948 they must be doing something right. Hopefully they will get you fixed up to your specs.

Davey · 01-17-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

No fanboyism here, just objective commentary that is largely considered accurate by folks that have driven both.

There's of course a major variable- what year s2000 did you have?

I owned an AP2. I know you have an AP1, and the steering racks are different, however the complaints go back to the AP1 as far as I know.

The commentary about the S2000 is out there. All you have to do is google "s2000 numb steering" and look at the pages of results and discussions at a variety of motorsports sites. Have you done that yet?

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	What's funny is that it really highlights how each driver is different. You could look at NASCAR as an example. Teammates Jeff Gordon and Jimmie Johnson might run identical lap times, but they do it with COMPLETELY different setups. Have them switch cars and they will hate it and probably run slower times. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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01-17-2013, 12:59 PM	#58 (permalink)
lemon-fresh Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Calgary Age: 40 Posts: 471 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 13	I am having a tough time finding a definition of steering feedback. I found an article that seems to equate the two concepts. What is "steering feel" or "steering feedback? - Ask.cars.com I also found some kinda interesting papers on objectively measuring steering feel. Maybe when the industry comes up with a standard measure we can get somewhere on this. https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...41248874,d.cGE https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...41248874,d.cGE Maybe there already is a standard? Both feedback and feel both certainly seem to have been subjective measures for quite some time.