2013 Car and Driver Lightning Lap

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-08-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang;2306547[COLOR="red"

[B]]1) Average Joe needs to do more research. They should pay invoice or better
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which complainers never do

2) Everyone buys exhaust.
which is a do nothing mod as stand alone.

3) Personal preference

opinions are like a-holes.

4) Massive oversteer? This is a front heavy car that likes to plow when pushed hard on corner entry. Must be doing something wrong?

huh???????????? Someone needs driving lessons. Skip Barber baby!!
5. Most everyone that gets a base car does it with the intent of upgrading the stereo.

unless you're a non-researching whining ignorant consumer who bought on impulse.

yep!

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Average Joe doesn't modify a leased car...

He did what????

Tell me he does his own oil changes etc and doesnt go to the dealership???

ChrisSlicks · 05-08-2013, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

4) Massive oversteer? This is a front heavy car that likes to plow when pushed hard on corner entry. Must be doing something wrong?

There is one exception. When the temp is below 60F ambient it takes a few miles to get the tires warmed up enough to stick, in that window the car is an oversteering hell beast (in a fun way). Below 40F it is tough to get the tires warm at all.

m4a1mustang · 05-08-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

There is one exception. When the temp is below 60F ambient it takes a few miles to get the tires warmed up enough to stick, in that window the car is an oversteering hell beast (in a fun way). Below 40F it is tough to get the tires warm at all.

That's true. I didn't even consider that because I figure this is something most people should know.

Davey · 05-08-2013, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I just bought one for less than $35k.

It's a bit of a stretch given what you get, but it's the car I wanted so whatever. #YOLO

Welcome back, dude.

cossie1600 · 05-08-2013, 02:36 PM

Average Joe doesn't modify a leased car...

ZMan8 · 05-08-2013, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

Average Joe doesn't modify a leased car...

JungleZ · 05-08-2013, 02:52 PM

All these mods can be sold once i go back to stock and get out of this heavy pig

Next gen z needs to be lighter and leaner, I knew I wouldn't want this fat pig more than 3 years.

m4a1mustang · 05-08-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

All these mods can be sold once i go back to stock and get out of this heavy pig

Next gen z needs to be lighter and leaner, I knew I wouldn't want this fat pig more than 3 years.

I can attest that it does feel heavy, especially coming from the S2K... it's like a boat. However... you knew this all along. Why'd you sign the contract?

IMO, if you impulse buy/lease there is really no room to complain. You've got to :dealwithit: like a man. Or use LeaseTrader.

ZMan8 · 05-08-2013, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I can attest that it does feel heavy, especially coming from the S2K... it's like a boat. However... you knew this all along. Why'd you sign the contract?

IMO, if you impulse buy/lease there is really no room to complain. You've got to :dealwithit: like a man. Or use LeaseTrader.

JungleZ · 05-08-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I can attest that it does feel heavy, especially coming from the S2K... it's like a boat. However... you knew this all along. Why'd yo sign the contract, then?

I remember seeing your post on vw vortex that you don't believe the z doesnt do anything special. I'm surprised you got one again

m4a1mustang · 05-08-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

I remember seeing your post on vw vortex that you don't believe the z doesnt do anything special. I'm surprised you got one again

I'm on VW Vortex?

red6spd · 05-08-2013, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm on VW Vortex?

LOL. Is someone pretending to be you now on other forums?

JungleZ · 05-08-2013, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm on VW Vortex?

It was s2ki my bad lol

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-08-2013, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

All these mods can be sold once i go back to stock and get out of this heavy pig

Next gen z needs to be lighter and leaner, I knew I wouldn't want this fat pig more than 3 years.

Look at the comp for a minute. and im going to go by proper engines.

Mustang v6 track pkg with loaded pkg. $31,000 weight 3500lbs... 305hp
Camaro v6 loaded rs pkg loaded @$32,500 weight 3700lbs... 323hp
Nissan 370z v6 base/sport manual $36,500 3300lbs... 332hp
Hyundai gencoupe v6 R-spec $30,500 3400lbs... 350hp

And this v6 matches or gives 93% of the power of the v8 versions of the muscle cars while still being a v6. The Z is pricey by comparison. But you blame the car for things that are blatently your fault for not being savvy when you made the purchase

The Z can be negotiated easier than the rest save for the mustang v6. it's easy to drop price on it. At least in my region.

UNKNOWN_370 · 05-08-2013, 03:16 PM

Z is a master of none but a jack of all trades. If you want it to be special in a certain area. It needs to be tweaked for that. You buy mustangs and they come ready to do one job and you buy it for that job. No worries. The Z is a different type of car. It will do all well but wont be the master at a specialized area till you tweak it. This is not a car for guys that expect out the box perfection. This car is a canvas for the personalized tuner.

In other words. This car wasn't designed for the masses. It was designed for a special group of people who understand the Z's "philosophy of use". (For all you TNP'ers out there...

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm on VW Vortex?

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JungleZ Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: orange county,ca Posts: 652 Drives: leased base z... Rep Power: 0	All these mods can be sold once i go back to stock and get out of this heavy pig Next gen z needs to be lighter and leaner, I knew I wouldn't want this fat pig more than 3 years.