I live in Pennsylvania which I believe this year was ranked the 3rd worst roads in America and my 370z never jarred me enough to consider taking a different car to work. The only part of the Z that made driving rough was the brutal synchro in first gear and how short the gear itself was.

All the classic hallmarks of advanced trolldom. There's no point in even refuting his warped logic. Z sucks, Focus sucks, troll wins.



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I looked at the ST at the DC auto show in January, I think it looked pretty good in the copper gold color and the interior was nice too. If I was in the market for that type of vehicle I would go test drive one. I never hate a car till I look it over and drive it. If you want to see hate, go check out the hate the Z gets from Audi and Porsche boards. It's extreme.

1.your view on the Z riding bad is subjective. I've been in much worse cars that don't absorb bumps well. The whole C5 generation was horrid and the C6 base is equal to the Z without magnetic ride.

2. the BRZ has been on the market 3 months. How can you make it a benchmark so soon??? At least give it 12 months of long term testing. TALK ABOUT BEING A FANBOI...:ughdance:

3. Your examples of better riding cars is:
a) Corvette a $51k car that can be had for 44k off the bat in base form but to get superior ride you need MRC and they don't discount those too much so you're looking at $51k minimum.

b)Rx 8, which is $28k extremely unreliable, has oil consumption issues, fuel starve (just like the Z) and is underpowered in the price range. It's only advantage is handling and ride quality compared to newer cars.

c) Porsche 997 GT3??? 6 figures:gtfo2:
Your elitist syndrome of "Self-Loathing Reverse Fanboyism" is rearing it's ugly head... It perplexes me how we could be from the same state??? but I'm from the city so that may make a difference... so you're inadvertently comparing the Z and focus ride quality to a GT3??? you're losing it bruh.

4. you may not be 18 but 18 year olds would have more mature come-backs than what you are spewing out right now...
And like I said before... It's the self loathing fanboy who is the first to call out fanboy. This posts 1000% proves my whole theory.

You having a Z so long and being a supposed adult should have more constructive ways of getting your point across than this sillyness you wrote.

Stop being such a hater.

The ST goes for 29k loaded... I wouldn't give up 29k for a FWD... 26k? lets make a deal.:tup: I think the SE was a pretty nice riding car. Civics have a sportier feel in ex and si form which costs the same as a focus SE. But civic styling is weak, features are outdated as well as technology. so more bang for your buck in a focus. I would love to test the ST and i hope we see the RS make it to the states. The mazdaspeed 3 and GTI are the benchmarks of fwd turbos, so the focus has some proving grounds to match. But so far it looks awesome and i have high hopes.
As far as Z hate... you don't need to go to other forums... We have enough owners here that... when their car is no longer the coolest car on the block. they need to start basing their own so it warrants the excuse of getting the next hottest craze... And unfortunately we have to suffer by reading the self loathing posts.

I don't think the RS will come here, as it will be too pricey and Americans won't pay that much for a Ford hatch. Audi has that segment with the A3. I had a good conversation about cross continent sales with the former chief lawyer for euro Ford operations about it. Nice guy long retired, but interesting to talk to. Bean counters rule, put it that way. If projected sales don't match costs forget it, that includes the changes that must be done for our gas formulas, bumper speed requirements, mirror placements, emissions regulations, noise regulations, and all kinds of things that drive up costs.....especially when it's not planned for multiple markets. The ST has got good reviews and a loaded GTI is not much cheaper. Price? Well let's see if they sell at 29k...might or might not.

True indeed... Either way, we can cheaply crank up boost to extract RS power and our aftermarket suspensions will probably be better.:tup:

I've ordered an Focus ST with the middle package (Mainly Recaro seats, upgraded Sony Stereo and MFT) and moonroof for $26440. the top package adds better headlights, upgraded recaros and interier lighting...just not worth the xtra coin to me.

My co-worker has a corvette and my last car was an RX8. Although the RX8 was lighter and balanced, the Z has a much better ride quality. It came with stiff runflats for gods sake and so does the vette. I don't know what the hell you've been smoking. The Corvette wasn't anything exciting either. Its quick, but hardly the best ride quality. You feel every pebble with that car.

I was interested in the Focus RC when I saw it at the LA Auto show last year, until I found out it was 100k. It didn't even have an interior! It was still a bargain compared to the nismo RC I guess though.

Magnetic ride control improves ride quality but that jumps you $20k over the Z and you can buy @ focus turbos for that coin. The base 50k vette ride is crappy...

I just rented a new Focus yesterday, it only had 1800 on the ticker and when I drove off something was seriously wrong with the tranny. It wouldn't shift, it felt like a manual stuck in third. I kept looking down to make sure I wasn't in the wrong gear for an auto but I was in the right gear. I figured as a rental maybe someone threw it in reverse and drove a few miles backward (am I the only one who has dreampt of doing that lol?) Anyway, aside from that issues for the price I think Ford did ok with the styling and technology.

Downside to ford... Inconsistent transmission reliability throughout the model range except the fusion, I have no idea why the fusion fares better in reliability. The transmission issues seem to be lowering by the year. Give ford about 3 model years to clean up issues on new cars.

yeah, my 2010 expedition makes some wierd clunks and stuff sometimes

You are right ride is subjective. Let's not get into that as it will just be a pissing contest. Let's go back to what I said in the first post. I said the Focus rides almost as bad as the Z. We both know how both car handles. If a regular Focus rides only slightly better than the Z, what does that say about the Focus' ride? Do you honestly think the Z rides like a C class? Would you feel better if I say "Focus rides slightly better than the Z"? Does that help you and couple others beat off faster?

BRZ has 200HP. If you think it is enough, more power to you. Given the hype it's been getting, you would have thought they just dropped a 3.8L 911 motor in there. What difference does it make to wait three months or twelve months? Horsepower growing out of trees now?

My C6 Corvette had a $56K MSRP, I only got it for $45K. Yeah I didn't get much discount on it. If you want a good deal, look on the Corvette forum. Dealers are constantly offering them for 5-10K below sticker.

RX-8 has fuel starve? That is new as I am not sure how the car dominated CS for years with 1/8 to 1/4 of a tank. If you read the owner's manual of the RX-8, you will see Mazda tells you specifically that the rotary engine is DESIGNED to burn oil. That is just the way the motors are built. Is that truly a problem or just ignorant owners? Also my RX-8 had a sticker of about $26K, it came with 232HP in 2007. The BRZ has what, 200HP with a sticker around the same? Since it is down 32HP, how is it not overrated? Are you contradicting yourself now?

I am just letting you know that GT3 rides slightly better than the 370. There was no malice or anything behind it. I just know that from my time with it.

My RX-8 didn't have run flat new, Corvette did have the Goodyear Run Flat.

I definitely don't have good comebacks given I have had or driven the cars mentioned. Matter of fact, I autox and track all of them with some firm data on them. Would that help you better than magazine stats that you love?

Btw, nothing against the Z or ST Focus as I don't know how that car drives or what it has. I don't consider them the same as a $16-20K Focus, just like how EVO is different than the regular Lancer. My original dig was at the Focus and the reviewers who love them. I am not sure how it got from regular Focus to Focus ST?

I don't hate on the Z. Matter of fact, I love mine. I am just realistic enough to know the car is not perfect and there are shortcomings due to the price. Some of you guys seem not to think so.

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