Nissan GTR

MC · 09-07-2012, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

HKY, I believe if there is a clause that you can have your car inspected before & after a track event and if no improper wear was found the warranty is still 100%. Now this might be a dealership to dealership thing that some do to allow customers to go to the track with some safety net.

not for the US they do that for Europe because they have specialized HPC's for the GTR

Driving a GTR on the track does not void the warranty in any way. but while you are on the track anything that breaks that can be determined that the tracking was the cause will not be covered if there is a warranty claim. thats a common sense policy and most high manufacturers have it.

not turning VDC off is probably the single most important thing when wanting to maintain a warranty even more so than modding

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Originally Posted by SalA

I believe that is a true statement. I also read that if you use the GTR Launch Control option more then 5 times or so...the warranty is voided as well.

absolutely false

a lot of misinformation in this thread

everyone read through our FAQ

http://www.nagtroc.org/forums/index....troc-gt-r-faq/

wstar · 09-07-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

not turning VDC off is probably the single most important thing when wanting to maintain a warranty even more so than modding

Yeah, but, nobody should using the 370's VDC on a track. It builds bad habits and hides errors at the very beginning, and then it gets in the way and gets flat-out dangerous as you move up in skill. Instructors should always tell you to turn it off, even at a beginning HPDE level... (although they might term it a mere recommendation and leave it up to you, so that they don't get some noob yelling at them that they wrecked their car and it's all the instructor's fault for telling them to turn off VDC. Never forget: your car, your responsibility. Their input doesn't mean they're responsible for *anything*).

MC · 09-07-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Yeah, but, nobody should using the 370's VDC on a track. It builds bad habits and hides errors at the very beginning, and then it gets in the way and gets flat-out dangerous as you move up in skill. Instructors should always tell you to turn it off, even at a beginning HPDE level... (although they might term it a mere recommendation and leave it up to you, so that they don't get some noob yelling at them that they wrecked their car and it's all the instructor's fault for telling them to turn off VDC. Never forget: your car, your responsibility. Their input doesn't mean they're responsible for *anything*).

ok im talking about the GTR not the Z .. completely different animals as far has how the VDC works..the entire way the GTR is set up to work is configured around VDC being on or in R mode. its not a baby sitter in the GTR. With VDC R you can get the backend out and even 4 wheel drift corners.. it has nothing to do really with driver skill as its not intrusive enough unless you are at the 99th percential of skill level and are competing in time attack or something. for intermeidate and even up drivers with stock power there is really never a reason to run it off as turning it off takes away the built in failsafes they have for the AWD system. the GTR does not like mismatched wheelspin from different axels. the VDC on will detect this and limit the power to protect the car.. just a few weeks ago we had a guy get denied warranty for his transmission.. i thought that was odd as the denials are few and far between these days.. turns out he was on the skidpad ( drifting sliding doughnuts whatever) with VDC off.. thats the #1 no no on this car. the new 2012/2013s wont even launch with VDC off

shadoquad · 09-07-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

ok im talking about the GTR not the Z .. the entire way the GTR is set up to work is configured around VDC being on or in R mode. in VDC R you can get the backend out and even 4 wheel drift corners.. it has nothing to do really with driver skill as its not intrusive turning it off takes away the built in failsafes they have for the AWD system. the GTR does not like mismatched wheelspin from different axels the VDC on will detect this and limit the power to protect the car.. just a few weeks ago we had a guy get denied warranty for his transmission.. i thought that was odd as the denials are few and far between these days.. turns out he was on the skidpad ( drifting sliding doughnuts whatever) with VDC off.. thats the #1 no no on this car

Oh, what would you know about GTR's?

I mean, other than you owning a few over time, tracking one, and administering a forum devoted to them?

Other than all that, what makes you think you know anything about them?

OMGiGOTaZ · 09-07-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

ok im talking about the GTR not the Z .. completely different animals as far has how the VDC works..the entire way the GTR is set up to work is configured around VDC being on or in R mode. its not a baby sitter in the GTR. With VDC R you can get the backend out and even 4 wheel drift corners.. it has nothing to do really with driver skill as its not intrusive enough unless you are at the 99th percential of skill level and are competing in time attack or something. for intermeidate and even up drivers with stock power there is really never a reason to run it off as turning it off takes away the built in failsafes they have for the AWD system. the GTR does not like mismatched wheelspin from different axels. the VDC on will detect this and limit the power to protect the car.. just a few weeks ago we had a guy get denied warranty for his transmission.. i thought that was odd as the denials are few and far between these days.. turns out he was on the skidpad ( drifting sliding doughnuts whatever) with VDC off.. thats the #1 no no on this car. the new 2012/2013s wont even launch with VDC off

So are you saying the VDC for the Z is a babysitter??

Isamu · 09-07-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

not for the US they do that for Europe because they have specialized HPC's for the GTR

Driving a GTR on the track does not void the warranty in any way. but while you are on the track anything that breaks that can be determined that the tracking was the cause will not be covered if there is a warranty claim. thats a common sense policy and most high manufacturers have it.

not turning VDC off is probably the single most important thing when wanting to maintain a warranty even more so than modding

absolutely false

a lot of misinformation in this thread

everyone read through our FAQ

NAGTROC GT-R FAQ - R35 GT-R - NAGTROC - The Nissan GT-R Owners Club

MC to the rescue!

bigaudiofanat · 09-07-2012, 10:23 AM

From what I understand the GPS in the GTR knows when you get to a race track. Now as far as if it know that you were racing on that track. That is probably on another computer.

I was talking to a few mechanics at Nissan, each time you bring a GTR in they download a encrypted file off your GTR and it is sent to nissan. They can than tell what you have been doing.

HKYStormFront · 09-07-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

From what I understand the GPS in the GTR knows when you get to a race track. Now as far as if it know that you were racing on that track. That is probably on another computer.

I was talking to a few mechanics at Nissan, each time you bring a GTR in they download a encrypted file off your GTR and it is sent to nissan. They can than tell what you have been doing.

the first part is only in the rest of the world, not the US. the second part is not true at all from what i've heard. they will only download this information if there is a warranty claim that is directly related to the performance/powertrain aspects of the car

bigaudiofanat · 09-07-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

the first part is only in the rest of the world, not the US. the second part is not true at all from what i've heard. they will only download this information if there is a warranty claim that is directly related to the performance/powertrain aspects of the car

You sure, I know in other countries the power is limited until it gets to a track but as far as it knowing when you get to one, I would think that would be everywhere.

HKYStormFront · 09-07-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

You sure, I know in other countries the power is limited until it gets to a track but as far as it knowing when you get to one, I would think that would be everywhere.

yes, i am sure. i've heard it from dealers, i've read it in official nissan press, and i've tested it myself

also, power is not limited at all, it's just a speed limiter that kicks in at (i believe) 112mph unless on a track in all countries except US, and maybe canada, not sure about them... as with any car, a tune can remove this limiter as well

b1adesofcha0s · 09-07-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

You sure, I know in other countries the power is limited until it gets to a track but as far as it knowing when you get to one, I would think that would be everywhere.

Yeah I've sat in a GT-R going faster than 112 mph........

6MT · 09-07-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Yeah I've sat in a GT-R going faster than 112 mph........

I pooped in one...

theDreamer · 09-07-2012, 10:25 AM

For anyone not liking this, many companies do this already from Porsche to Ferrari and even BMW now. Companies want to know more about what people are doing with the cars and if you modify them, largely so they can determine fault better (i.e. deny warranty claims).

HKYStormFront · 09-07-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

CYA or not, you have to admit it's contradictory to responsible driving. What it's saying, in effect, is that, "We've manufactured this paperweight with sporting pretentions. You have three options: (1) illegally stress it on the road where you are a danger to many people, (2) pay us more money to drive it on our track, (3) drive like a grandma to coffee meets and brag about what it does on paper."

Thank you, Nissan.

i didn't say it was right, i'm just saying what it is. the fact of the matter is, horsepower, engine efficiency, tires/traction, suspension... all the bits that make up a performance car are getting so good, so fast that it's hard for the manufacturers to keep up with physics. to hand over a 530hp car to any driver, particularly when Nissan is gunshy about US drivers after they nearly bankrupted the company with the Z32, with a blank check warranty is not going to happen. those days are long gone. if you drive the car responsibly, get it inspected like it should be and don't do much more than a few bolt ons... chances are nissan will keep the warranty valid. that's pretty much what it boils down to

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

For anyone not liking this, many companies do this already from Porsche to Ferrari and even BMW now. Companies want to know more about what people are doing with the cars and if you modify them, largely so they can determine fault better (i.e. deny warranty claims).

yup, porsche definitely is doing this^ i'm sure all the new BMW's and at least the AMG mercs are the same. this is just going to be par for the course from now on, especially on higher performing cars

SalA · 09-07-2012, 12:42 PM

I believe that is a true statement. I also read that if you use the GTR Launch Control option more then 5 times or so...the warranty is voided as well.

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