Nissan GTR

ZMan8 · 09-06-2012, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

I think it is crummy to produce a performance car and then void a warranty when the buyer takes it to the place where it is actually responsible to test the car's limits.

But yeah, this is old news. This has been going on since the GTR came out.

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ERZperformance · 09-06-2012, 03:29 PM

I'm not surprise if that is true. In fact, I'm more surprise if they don't enforce that policy to all vehicles.

Nismo89 · 09-06-2012, 03:34 PM

just remember not to do this:

UNKNOWN_370 · 09-06-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89

just remember not to do this:

wtf happened???

Nismo89 · 09-06-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

wtf happened???

dunno........ probably some dumb @$$ who thought he was an expert drifter or race car driver JUST because he got a GTR.

just because you have a GTR or high end sports car, DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN DRIVE LIKE A RACECAR DRIVER.

in other words im sure he "acted like a big shot .. look at me look at me and my 100k GTR..." WHAM!. rash!

but im only speculating

shadoquad · 09-06-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89

dunno........ probably some dumb @$$ who thought he was an expert drifter or race car driver JUST because he got a GTR.

just because you have a GTR or high end sports car, DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN DRIVE LIKE A RACECAR DRIVER.

in other words im sure he "acted like a big shot .. look at me look at me and my 100k GTR..." WHAM!. rash!

but im only speculating

It's also a bit funny, considering the GTR's reputation for being extremely easy to drive at its limits. Most reviewers have said as much.

Still, I hate to see anyone's ride rashed up like that.

Nismo89 · 09-06-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

It's also a bit funny, considering the GTR's reputation for being extremely easy to drive at its limits. Most reviewers have said as much.

Still, I hate to see anyone's ride rashed up like that.

i hear ya......... i mean a GTR? really? Nissans Cream of the crop andyou go and ride the rail like that?

it hurts.....

dont know what the guy was thinking

Isamu · 09-07-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nismo89

just remember not to do this:

if you think about it, it held up against the wall pretty good.. the mirror didn't even break off.. lol

HKYStormFront · 09-07-2012, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

if you think about it, it held up against the wall pretty good.. the mirror didn't even break off.. lol

yea GTR's are pretty stout. a friend of mine was riding in the back seat of one that hit a curb at over 100mph. the car flipped 3 or 4 times and hit a tree (still going over 60mph). the car was completely destroyed and looked like a smashed beer can but the passengers survived. my friend had broken legs and some other injuries but he survived. the driver only had a broken ankle and cuts and scrapes. the car is built to crash well, as it should be for something capable of such amazing speeds

Isamu · 09-07-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

yea GTR's are pretty stout. a friend of mine was riding in the back seat of one that hit a curb at over 100mph. the car flipped 3 or 4 times and hit a tree (still going over 60mph). the car was completely destroyed and looked like a smashed beer can but the passengers survived. my friend had broken legs and some other injuries but he survived. the driver only had a broken ankle and cuts and scrapes. the car is built to crash well, as it should be for something capable of such amazing speeds

wstar · 09-07-2012, 10:06 AM

Eh who knows about the wreck pic. The GTR's fancy handling can't fix everything, could've been coolant on the track in a corner or whatever.

As for the rest: denying warranty claims for tracking a performance car seems very wrong on the surface, but on the other hand it's a tough situation for the mfg. If it was a legitimate engineering/mfg fault and the component failed early, the mfg really should cover it regardless of where it happened. But even with a faultless car, track stress will eventually destroy every last component in the car, given enough time (and the timeframe's going to be a lot shorter than grandma street driving the car, I don't care how "performance" oriented the car is). Making the call on the acceptable wear+tear before failure is pretty hard, especially if there's no official record of how many miles spent on-track and in what conditions, etc.

For reference, check out the specs page on the 370 Nismo RC (factory race car): NISSAN FAIRLADY ZNISMO RC . They recommend a replacement interval of 5,000 km track distance on the whole drivetrain. That's about 3,000 miles. I do about 200 track miles on an average HPDE weekend. If I were doing that once a month, I'm hitting 3,000 miles in a little over a year. Now granted, I wouldn't *expect failure* at 3K track miles for the whole drivetrain, but by then you're definitely into significant wear + tear.

HKYStormFront · 09-07-2012, 10:17 AM

known facts:

all GTR's have a data logging system to monitor how their owners use them. everywhere else in the world except the US, the vehicle is limited to 112mph on public roads and the limiter is disabled when the GPS detects it is at a track. the USDM cars are unlimited all the time.
nissan has warrantied transmission repairs/replacements on multiple vehicles used in track situations, typically only if stock or lightly modded.
nissan clearly states in the paperwork the owner signed when he purchased the car that it is intended for street use only and warranty is void for track use. the same goes for the 370z and any other car nissan sells. this is a CYA statement allowing them to void the warranty if they deem "owner abuse" is the cause of the problem
having said that^ nissan organizes track days for GTR owners called the GTR experience. these events are designed to show the owner what the GTR can do while still covered under warranty.
08/09 GTR's had Launch Control 1; use of this was said to void the warranty but again, several cases were repaired under warranty despite this, it was a case-by-case ruling by warranty reps
2010 saw the introduction of LC2 which was a lower RPM start and was better covered under warranty though repeated launches would void it
2012 introduced LC3 which is fully warrantied since the car will only let you do 3 in a row before a "cool down" time is required. hard driving is still permitted during this, just not launches. while this sounds limiting, really, should you be launching a GTR 3 times full bore from a stop within 1 minute in any circumstances... ever?
2013 introduced LC4 with a slightly higher RPM launch, same rules apply as the last point
the transmission in all GTR's, the GR6, is basically the same though for 2012, the first gear set was revised to be slightly larger/stronger. most tracked GTR's transmission failures are 3rd 4th gear problems since those are the most used and most often changed to gears.

this is what i know

shadoquad · 09-07-2012, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

known facts:
nissan clearly states in the paperwork the owner signed when he purchased the car that it is intended for street use only and warranty is void for track use. the same goes for the 370z and any other car nissan sells. this is a CYA statement allowing them to void the warranty if they deem "owner abuse" is the cause of the problem

CYA or not, you have to admit it's contradictory to responsible driving. What it's saying, in effect, is that, "We've manufactured this paperweight with sporting pretentions. You have three options: (1) illegally stress it on the road where you are a danger to many people, (2) pay us more money to drive it on our track, (3) drive like a grandma to coffee meets and brag about what it does on paper."

Thank you, Nissan.

theDreamer · 09-07-2012, 10:21 AM

HKY, I believe if there is a clause that you can have your car inspected before & after a track event and if no improper wear was found the warranty is still 100%. Now this might be a dealership to dealership thing that some do to allow customers to go to the track with some safety net.

HKYStormFront · 09-07-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

HKY, I believe if there is a clause that you can have your car inspected before & after a track event and if no improper wear was found the warranty is still 100%. Now this might be a dealership to dealership thing that some do to allow customers to go to the track with some safety net.

i've heard of that too but i don't think that's a nissan corporate thing, i would say that is a service (good) dealerships are offering. more should do it imo

09-06-2012, 03:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
ERZperformance A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Hayward Posts: 3,015 Drives: Nissan GTR Rep Power: 22	I'm not surprise if that is true. In fact, I'm more surprise if they don't enforce that policy to all vehicles. __________________ http://www.cntracing.com http://www.ERZperformance.com 800-363-8599

09-06-2012, 03:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
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09-07-2012, 10:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	Eh who knows about the wreck pic. The GTR's fancy handling can't fix everything, could've been coolant on the track in a corner or whatever. As for the rest: denying warranty claims for tracking a performance car seems very wrong on the surface, but on the other hand it's a tough situation for the mfg. If it was a legitimate engineering/mfg fault and the component failed early, the mfg really should cover it regardless of where it happened. But even with a faultless car, track stress will eventually destroy every last component in the car, given enough time (and the timeframe's going to be a lot shorter than grandma street driving the car, I don't care how "performance" oriented the car is). Making the call on the acceptable wear+tear before failure is pretty hard, especially if there's no official record of how many miles spent on-track and in what conditions, etc. For reference, check out the specs page on the 370 Nismo RC (factory race car): NISSAN FAIRLADY ZNISMO RC . They recommend a replacement interval of 5,000 km track distance on the whole drivetrain. That's about 3,000 miles. I do about 200 track miles on an average HPDE weekend. If I were doing that once a month, I'm hitting 3,000 miles in a little over a year. Now granted, I wouldn't expect failure at 3K track miles for the whole drivetrain, but by then you're definitely into significant wear + tear. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

09-07-2012, 10:17 AM	#12 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 53	known facts: all GTR's have a data logging system to monitor how their owners use them. everywhere else in the world except the US, the vehicle is limited to 112mph on public roads and the limiter is disabled when the GPS detects it is at a track. the USDM cars are unlimited all the time. nissan has warrantied transmission repairs/replacements on multiple vehicles used in track situations, typically only if stock or lightly modded. nissan clearly states in the paperwork the owner signed when he purchased the car that it is intended for street use only and warranty is void for track use. the same goes for the 370z and any other car nissan sells. this is a CYA statement allowing them to void the warranty if they deem "owner abuse" is the cause of the problem having said that^ nissan organizes track days for GTR owners called the GTR experience. these events are designed to show the owner what the GTR can do while still covered under warranty. 08/09 GTR's had Launch Control 1; use of this was said to void the warranty but again, several cases were repaired under warranty despite this, it was a case-by-case ruling by warranty reps 2010 saw the introduction of LC2 which was a lower RPM start and was better covered under warranty though repeated launches would void it 2012 introduced LC3 which is fully warrantied since the car will only let you do 3 in a row before a "cool down" time is required. hard driving is still permitted during this, just not launches. while this sounds limiting, really, should you be launching a GTR 3 times full bore from a stop within 1 minute in any circumstances... ever? 2013 introduced LC4 with a slightly higher RPM launch, same rules apply as the last point the transmission in all GTR's, the GR6, is basically the same though for 2012, the first gear set was revised to be slightly larger/stronger. most tracked GTR's transmission failures are 3rd 4th gear problems since those are the most used and most often changed to gears. this is what i know __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now Last edited by HKYStormFront; 09-07-2012 at 10:22 AM.

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theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	HKY, I believe if there is a clause that you can have your car inspected before & after a track event and if no improper wear was found the warranty is still 100%. Now this might be a dealership to dealership thing that some do to allow customers to go to the track with some safety net. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

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