2010 Z Sport to 2013 Mustang GT

Red__Zed · 09-06-2012, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

The car really isn't bad to drive at the limit. It is way easier than the C6 Corvette I had. Heck the Corvette was so hard to drive that I got rid of it because I don't trust myself with it at the track. One thing I learned is that the faster the car, the farther you are going to fly off the track if anything were to happen. The Z car is a cakewalk compare to that. I spun 3-4 times in the Corvette and had 2 off track over 2 years. I have one spin and no off track in 3 years on the 370. It's really that much easier to drive.

The Z is easy. Unless you do something stupid, you know it is going to push. It takes serious hamfisting to unglue the rear end.

cossie1600 · 09-06-2012, 08:16 PM

agree. 350 would kick the back end as you roll back into the gas pedal. 370 would just spin the one tire and go straight. It is easy to drive, probably too boring

shadoquad · 09-06-2012, 09:08 PM

Back on topic of 2013 Mustangs, you can get a Base GT with Track Pkg (brembo brakes, torsen lsd) and Cloth Recaro seats at Koons in Sterling VA for 30,400. That's a whole lot of performance for the dollar.

*deleted my post a minute ago because I had the wrong info

ImportConvert · 09-06-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The Z is easy. Unless you do something stupid, you know it is going to push. It takes serious hamfisting to unglue the rear end.

This might be true regarding throttle application or entering the corner at the wrong speed, but to maintain speed through the corner you do one of two things:

-Go slow
-Apply throttle to balance the car through the corner optimally

These result in:

-Going slow
-risking accelerating beyond the lateral adhesion limit of the tires before the end of the corner, and then being at the point where if you lift, you lose it when the weight shifts back forward.

Maybe I've got it wrong, though.

ImportConvert · 09-06-2012, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

agree. 350 would kick the back end as you roll back into the gas pedal. 370 would just spin the one tire and go straight. It is easy to drive, probably too boring

My 370 will slide the whole back end if you get aggressive with it on corner exit. What was wrong with the one you drove?

Red__Zed · 09-06-2012, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

This might be true regarding throttle application or entering the corner at the wrong speed, but to maintain speed through the corner you do one of two things:

-Go slow
-Apply throttle to balance the car through the corner optimally

These result in:

-Going slow
-risking accelerating beyond the lateral adhesion limit of the tires before the end of the corner, and then being at the point where if you lift, you lose it when the weight shifts back forward.

Maybe I've got it wrong, though.

You can also wonder about fuel starve with option b.

Throwing more tire up front is helpful, but not enough. I tried playing with sways, and I could never get the car neutral without making it unpredictable.

cossie1600 · 09-06-2012, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

My 370 will slide the whole back end if you get aggressive with it on corner exit. What was wrong with the one you drove?

I don't have the OEM tires, my tires actually grip and doesn't break loose at every throttle input.

http://youtu.be/5bQUZqT9Kkk

serpent · 09-06-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Back on topic of 2013 Mustangs, you can get a Base GT with Track Pkg (brembo brakes, torsen lsd) and Cloth Recaro seats at Koons in Sterling VA for 30,400. That's a whole lot of performance for the dollar.

*deleted my post a minute ago because I had the wrong info

I've seen these 2013 GT's at the stealerships and the brembos are pretty massive, can't wait until winter time when people start unloading theirs because of lost interest or the "gotta have it" factor wears out. But I'm not so sure i can hold out for that long!

ImportConvert · 09-06-2012, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

I don't have the OEM tires, my tires actually grip and doesn't break loose at every throttle input.

VIR T1 T5 C6 Z51 vs 370 - YouTube

I don't do HPDE's, so some of my observations are irrelevant to you. On the street, I can tell you the 370Z is not nearly as livable as my Z06 was in the corners specifically due to weight management.

cossie1600 · 09-07-2012, 12:21 AM

We are just telling you while it might be part of the equation, it is not the only factor. The Z06 comes with way superior tires, there is no comparison to the RE050a. My Prius with the slicks felt stickier than my RE050a on the Z. Stock to stock I can toss the backend just as easy as the 370z too

ImportConvert · 09-07-2012, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

We are just telling you while it might be part of the equation, it is not the only factor. The Z06 comes with way superior tires, there is no comparison to the RE050a. My Prius with the slicks felt stickier than my RE050a on the Z. Stock to stock I can toss the backend just as easy as the 370z too

I personally wasn't impressed with the Goodyear's on my Z06. I don't know how they stack up to my stock 370Z tires at the ragged edge, though.

babbagandu · 09-09-2012, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceagetlc

I put my rustang in neutral when I pass jimmies so as not to rustle them.

U from the misc brah?

cossie1600 · 09-10-2012, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I personally wasn't impressed with the Goodyear's on my Z06. I don't know how they stack up to my stock 370Z tires at the ragged edge, though.

They are better than the RE050a for sure. I won a Redline Time Attack with them (helps that I did have the fastest car)

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09-06-2012, 08:16 PM	#92 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	agree. 350 would kick the back end as you roll back into the gas pedal. 370 would just spin the one tire and go straight. It is easy to drive, probably too boring

09-06-2012, 09:08 PM	#93 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	Back on topic of 2013 Mustangs, you can get a Base GT with Track Pkg (brembo brakes, torsen lsd) and Cloth Recaro seats at Koons in Sterling VA for 30,400. That's a whole lot of performance for the dollar. *deleted my post a minute ago because I had the wrong info

09-07-2012, 12:21 AM	#100 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	We are just telling you while it might be part of the equation, it is not the only factor. The Z06 comes with way superior tires, there is no comparison to the RE050a. My Prius with the slicks felt stickier than my RE050a on the Z. Stock to stock I can toss the backend just as easy as the 370z too