How not to drive your M3

Haboob · 08-29-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Looks like he had never driven the road before and was unfamiliar with that corner/rise. Really sucks. His lesson was much more expensive than mine when I was 17 with my '95 Trans Am.

It looks like his first "clue" was at about 0:15 when he got the car light after the rise and it took more than he expected with the wheel. He didn't figure it out, and his second clue was a busted front end and blow airbags. He's still alive, and he learned (I hope) a valuable lesson, and he will laugh about it sometime, I hope, while correctly hitting the curves.

Why all the college/kid jokes? Is his age given? He looks mid/early 20's to me. It very well could be his own vehicle that he makes the note on each month/owns, without all the mommy/daddy crap. For all you know, he saved up while he was in Afghanistan, stared at M3 pictures all the time he had to himself, and that was his "coming home" gift. Just a shame he didn't know how to drive it. Or he could have been like me, and buckled down in college. Or any number of things. He may even be some rich kid who has parents with more money than brains, but I would like to think maybe not.

Because he's a Scottsdale brat thinking he can drive the roads at South Mountain (25-35mph zone I believe, with hikers and bike riders) in Daddy's M3 (or one Daddy bought for him). It's how all the Scottsdale kids are out here. They think, just because they have the car it means they can drive, regardless if they know the road.

Jsolo · 08-31-2012, 12:14 AM

This kid had no idea what he was doing. He's all over the road. His steering inputs are way too abrupt and he's going too fast for the road. Reminds me alot of a novice motorcycle rider who's very inconsistent with the throttle.

I've done the shifting seat position to get a better sight line on the more technical roads. From my 2 wheel days, i learned to treat the lane lines as a sort of electric fence. You never ever cross them. If you do, you're not in control and/or going too fast or beyond your skill level.

One of the comments in the video mentions he was tense. Had he been more relaxed, the blind corner might not have freaked him out as much and he might have successfully completed it. On the motorbike, being tense will always cause the bike to go wide. Being relaxed is key to not panicking. Lets hope he learned his lesson.

zguynate · 08-31-2012, 08:49 AM

To the question of his age the video description says he's 19.

ImportConvert · 08-31-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

To the question of his age the video description says he's 19.

I once got into a pissing match with this kid who was around that age on another forum. Long story short, I actually believe him that he did make some weird investments in the stock market. He actually owned some really nice stuff. He was an immature idiot that filmed himself almost wrecking his mustang GT to prove a point, and it got me banned, though, lol.

Came back a few years later and he was a mod on the forum with other really nice cars. Dunno if he matured up or not, but he was still alive...

...either way, betting that kid was not rolling on his own paycheck, just the odds and all...

zguynate · 08-31-2012, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I once got into a pissing match with this kid who was around that age on another forum. Long story short, I actually believe him that he did make some weird investments in the stock market. He actually owned some really nice stuff. He was an immature idiot that filmed himself almost wrecking his mustang GT to prove a point, and it got me banned, though, lol.

Came back a few years later and he was a mod on the forum with other really nice cars. Dunno if he matured up or not, but he was still alive...

...either way, betting that kid was not rolling on his own paycheck, just the odds and all...

No I agree with you. You shouldnt automatically assume. I look younger than I am (I am 24) and people ask me how I afford my car and give me strange looks all the time. However when people I dont know ask me I just tell them that mommy and daddy bought it for me lol. Its easier than telling them where I work that will then just evolve into way more conversation than I care to carry.

There is a small chance, and I mean very small, that this guy bought the car with his own money. Even if dad bought it for him im not going to hate on him for it. If my dad offered me a M3 when I was 19 I sure as hell would have taken it, and probably wrecked it too lol. If anything its dads fault for giving his son a "performance" vehicle so young. Especially such an expensive one. If he tried to take responsibility for buying it himself when he didnt, then thats a different story.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-31-2012, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

No I agree with you. You shouldnt automatically assume. I look younger than I am (I am 24) and people ask me how I afford my car and give me strange looks all the time. However when people I dont know ask me I just tell them that mommy and daddy bought it for me lol. Its easier than telling them where I work that will then just evolve into way more conversation than I care to carry.

There is a small chance, and I mean very small, that this guy bought the car with his own money. Even if dad bought it for him im not going to hate on him for it. If my dad offered me a M3 when I was 19 I sure as hell would have taken it, and probably wrecked it too lol. If anything its dads fault for giving his son a "performance" vehicle so young. Especially such an expensive one. If he tried to take responsibility for buying it himself when he didnt, then thats a different story.

I bought a brand new 2010 Maxima for ~$28k with my own money when I was 19. Wrecked it a couple months later and then bought my Z when I was 20. I get that look from people all the time who think my parents bought the car for me.

ImportConvert · 08-31-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

No I agree with you. You shouldnt automatically assume. I look younger than I am (I am 24) and people ask me how I afford my car and give me strange looks all the time. However when people I dont know ask me I just tell them that mommy and daddy bought it for me lol. Its easier than telling them where I work that will then just evolve into way more conversation than I care to carry.

There is a small chance, and I mean very small, that this guy bought the car with his own money. Even if dad bought it for him im not going to hate on him for it. If my dad offered me a M3 when I was 19 I sure as hell would have taken it, and probably wrecked it too lol. If anything its dads fault for giving his son a "performance" vehicle so young. Especially such an expensive one. If he tried to take responsibility for buying it himself when he didnt, then thats a different story.

When I was 17, I was very jealous of my friends in highschool. They got new/cool cars (Eclipses and mustang GT's are cool when you're driving a decade-old police-car that was built in the drive-way). I thought it was "not fair".

But then I realised...their parents did the time, did the un-fun stuff, and could provide, and what idiot 17 year old says "No, dad, you keep the keys to the new mustang GT. My friends don't have cars like that, I shouldn't, either..."

Yeah...HAH!

So I made up my mind to stand on my own two feet one day and have "all the stuff that I cannot have, now."

So far, I am far from some super rich guy, but I feel content with my financial situation, and can honestly say that as of now, I feel that I am being paid what my work is worth, and am happy. That, to me, is where it's at---whether you make $10 an hour, or $250 an hour. Gotta be happy, because there is always someone richer, always someone poorer.

bigaudiofanat · 08-31-2012, 11:26 AM

I bet daddy was not happy. Holly cow!

wstar · 08-31-2012, 11:30 AM

It's more difficult and improbable than you'd think to significantly raise your financial position in life above that of your parents. I pretty much default to assuming everyone's financial level in life is mostly inherited (if not directly, indirectly through the way they were raised and taught). Most rich people you meet were born rich. Some inherited it, and some just inherited the right life lessons and made it on their own. But the "rags to riches" thing is pretty insanely rare.

ImportConvert · 08-31-2012, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

It's more difficult and improbable than you'd think to significantly raise your financial position in life above that of your parents. I pretty much default to assuming everyone's financial level in life is mostly inherited (if not directly, indirectly through the way they were raised and taught). Most rich people you meet were born rich. Some inherited it, and some just inherited the right life lessons and made it on their own. But the "rags to riches" thing is pretty insanely rare.

Strongly disagree. I'm far from rich, but last year I think my net income was probably +-150% of that of my most successful parent's current income (I have 4 parents, including step-parents).

It's called planning, smart work, and loving parents that helped me achieve what every parent says they want---a better life for my kid than I have.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-31-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

It's more difficult and improbable than you'd think to significantly raise your financial position in life above that of your parents. I pretty much default to assuming everyone's financial level in life is mostly inherited (if not directly, indirectly through the way they were raised and taught). Most rich people you meet were born rich. Some inherited it, and some just inherited the right life lessons and made it on their own. But the "rags to riches" thing is pretty insanely rare.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Strongly disagree. I'm far from rich, but last year I think my net income was probably +-150% of that of my most successful parent's current income (I have 4 parents, including step-parents).

It's called planning, smart work, and loving parents that helped me achieve what every parent says they want---a better life for my kid than I have.

I think you're both saying the same thing here.

ImportConvert · 08-31-2012, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think you're both saying the same thing here.

My parents were manual or trade type labor, with the exception of my step father who does it and learned on the job, basically,no college, and had no real grasp of what I was up to in school aside from my degree path. They simply trusted my judgement and supported me. I learned all I know from other sources, they just provided the assistance I needed, much thanks!

b1adesofcha0s · 09-01-2012, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

My parents were manual or trade type labor, with the exception of my step father who does it and learned on the job, basically,no college, and had no real grasp of what I was up to in school aside from my degree path. They simply trusted my judgement and supported me. I learned all I know from other sources, they just provided the assistance I needed, much thanks!

Exact same way here. I just graduated with an engineering degree and once I find a permanent engineering position, I should be good to make more than what both my parents do now combined

wstar · 08-31-2012, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Strongly disagree. I'm far from rich, but last year I think my net income was probably +-150% of that of my most successful parent's current income (I have 4 parents, including step-parents).

No offense, I just wouldn't call that "significant". You're still in the same ballpark. Lots of people make a little more for a while (and some don't). But being able to establish yourself at a completely new level of society is a different thing (as in: your dad worked manual labor, but you're a multi-millionaire-for-life living it responsibly and not necessarily required to "work" for a living anymore).

The most common counter-example is the middle-class guy who gets rich on a successful small business or investment idea at a relatively early age, but even among those a high percentage will fall right back to their "natural level" in well under 10 years by pissing it away and making poor financial choices.

When I was 19 I had already overtaken my dad's salary from his long term career by a hefty chunk. 15+ years later, and I still probably out-earn him by a little (he's continued to do well late into his career, and hasn't retired yet). In the big picture though, we're still in the same approximate economic class. We're both comfortably upper-middle, but lack the sort of stable, long-term financial freedom to truly be called upper class.

I've known a lot of people all across the economic scale, but I know very very few that made a large upward jump in their adult lives and vaulted into a new category (and kept it). The average seems to be a lot of people getting "a little" ahead, and a few people backsliding tremendously to balance things out.

Trying to pull this back to thread-relevance though, my point was: Generally when you see someone who's obviously rich upper class, it's a statistical safe assumption they were born that way.

ImportConvert · 08-31-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

No offense, I just wouldn't call that "significant". You're still in the same ballpark. Lots of people make a little more for a while (and some don't). But being able to establish yourself at a completely new level of society is a different thing (as in: your dad worked manual labor, but you're a multi-millionaire-for-life living it responsibly and not necessarily required to "work" for a living anymore).

The most common counter-example is the middle-class guy who gets rich on a successful small business or investment idea at a relatively early age, but even among those a high percentage will fall right back to their "natural level" in well under 10 years by pissing it away and making poor financial choices.

When I was 19 I had already overtaken my dad's salary from his long term career by a hefty chunk. 15+ years later, and I still probably out-earn him by a little (he's continued to do well late into his career, and hasn't retired yet). In the big picture though, we're still in the same approximate economic class. We're both comfortably upper-middle, but lack the sort of stable, long-term financial freedom to truly be called upper class.

I've known a lot of people all across the economic scale, but I know very very few that made a large upward jump in their adult lives and vaulted into a new category (and kept it). The average seems to be a lot of people getting "a little" ahead, and a few people backsliding tremendously to balance things out.

Trying to pull this back to thread-relevance though, my point was: Generally when you see someone who's obviously rich upper class, it's a statistical safe assumption they were born that way.

I understand, but I don't know many multimillionairs, period. I do have a few friends that qualify, I believe, and do not have to work unless they decide to. One got bored and built a subway, it is very profitable. I think 150% is meaningful. It's the difference in new vehicles and ten year old vehicles. In vacations and not. In having credit card debt and not. Etc. However, yes, I am still in their same bracket. An m3 wouldn't be a problem though, so I assumed that was the reference point.

08-31-2012, 12:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jsolo Track Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: chicago Posts: 783 Drives: '12 G37 6MT Rep Power: 15	This kid had no idea what he was doing. He's all over the road. His steering inputs are way too abrupt and he's going too fast for the road. Reminds me alot of a novice motorcycle rider who's very inconsistent with the throttle. I've done the shifting seat position to get a better sight line on the more technical roads. From my 2 wheel days, i learned to treat the lane lines as a sort of electric fence. You never ever cross them. If you do, you're not in control and/or going too fast or beyond your skill level. One of the comments in the video mentions he was tense. Had he been more relaxed, the blind corner might not have freaked him out as much and he might have successfully completed it. On the motorbike, being tense will always cause the bike to go wide. Being relaxed is key to not panicking. Lets hope he learned his lesson. ajm216 likes this.

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wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3595	It's more difficult and improbable than you'd think to significantly raise your financial position in life above that of your parents. I pretty much default to assuming everyone's financial level in life is mostly inherited (if not directly, indirectly through the way they were raised and taught). Most rich people you meet were born rich. Some inherited it, and some just inherited the right life lessons and made it on their own. But the "rags to riches" thing is pretty insanely rare. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

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