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ImportConvert 08-31-2012 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1895608)
It's more difficult and improbable than you'd think to significantly raise your financial position in life above that of your parents. I pretty much default to assuming everyone's financial level in life is mostly inherited (if not directly, indirectly through the way they were raised and taught). Most rich people you meet were born rich. Some inherited it, and some just inherited the right life lessons and made it on their own. But the "rags to riches" thing is pretty insanely rare.

Strongly disagree. I'm far from rich, but last year I think my net income was probably +-150% of that of my most successful parent's current income (I have 4 parents, including step-parents).

It's called planning, smart work, and loving parents that helped me achieve what every parent says they want---a better life for my kid than I have.

ImportConvert 08-31-2012 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 1895619)
No I agree with you. You shouldnt automatically assume. I look younger than I am (I am 24) and people ask me how I afford my car and give me strange looks all the time. However when people I dont know ask me I just tell them that mommy and daddy bought it for me lol. Its easier than telling them where I work that will then just evolve into way more conversation than I care to carry.

There is a small chance, and I mean very small, that this guy bought the car with his own money. Even if dad bought it for him im not going to hate on him for it. If my dad offered me a M3 when I was 19 I sure as hell would have taken it, and probably wrecked it too lol. If anything its dads fault for giving his son a "performance" vehicle so young. Especially such an expensive one. If he tried to take responsibility for buying it himself when he didnt, then thats a different story.

When I was 17, I was very jealous of my friends in highschool. They got new/cool cars (Eclipses and mustang GT's are cool when you're driving a decade-old police-car that was built in the drive-way). I thought it was "not fair".

But then I realised...their parents did the time, did the un-fun stuff, and could provide, and what idiot 17 year old says "No, dad, you keep the keys to the new mustang GT. My friends don't have cars like that, I shouldn't, either..."

Yeah...HAH!

So I made up my mind to stand on my own two feet one day and have "all the stuff that I cannot have, now."

So far, I am far from some super rich guy, but I feel content with my financial situation, and can honestly say that as of now, I feel that I am being paid what my work is worth, and am happy. That, to me, is where it's at---whether you make $10 an hour, or $250 an hour. Gotta be happy, because there is always someone richer, always someone poorer.

b1adesofcha0s 08-31-2012 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1895608)
It's more difficult and improbable than you'd think to significantly raise your financial position in life above that of your parents. I pretty much default to assuming everyone's financial level in life is mostly inherited (if not directly, indirectly through the way they were raised and taught). Most rich people you meet were born rich. Some inherited it, and some just inherited the right life lessons and made it on their own. But the "rags to riches" thing is pretty insanely rare.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1896359)
Strongly disagree. I'm far from rich, but last year I think my net income was probably +-150% of that of my most successful parent's current income (I have 4 parents, including step-parents).

It's called planning, smart work, and loving parents that helped me achieve what every parent says they want---a better life for my kid than I have.

I think you're both saying the same thing here.

Cmike2780 08-31-2012 06:43 PM

How he got the car doesn't really matter. It's the fact that this kid probably thinks he's the Stig after years of training on Gran Turismo. He Drives like a squid and crashed liked one. Definitely unfamiliar with the road. First mistake. Second mistake, don't race....or drive stupid unless it's something you can afford to fix.

falconfixer 08-31-2012 06:53 PM

couple things aside from what's mentioned. He's not looking 2 steps ahead of where he is at. Corner entry, scan apex shoot for exit; at the apex plan for next corner entry. Granted this is no where near a technical course but the skills could apply.

Secondly, he target fixated. Well known phenomenom that it doesn't matter what you input(his piss poor steering inputs) if you fixate on a taget you will hit it.

wstar 08-31-2012 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1896359)
Strongly disagree. I'm far from rich, but last year I think my net income was probably +-150% of that of my most successful parent's current income (I have 4 parents, including step-parents).

No offense, I just wouldn't call that "significant". You're still in the same ballpark. Lots of people make a little more for a while (and some don't). But being able to establish yourself at a completely new level of society is a different thing (as in: your dad worked manual labor, but you're a multi-millionaire-for-life living it responsibly and not necessarily required to "work" for a living anymore).

The most common counter-example is the middle-class guy who gets rich on a successful small business or investment idea at a relatively early age, but even among those a high percentage will fall right back to their "natural level" in well under 10 years by pissing it away and making poor financial choices.

When I was 19 I had already overtaken my dad's salary from his long term career by a hefty chunk. 15+ years later, and I still probably out-earn him by a little (he's continued to do well late into his career, and hasn't retired yet). In the big picture though, we're still in the same approximate economic class. We're both comfortably upper-middle, but lack the sort of stable, long-term financial freedom to truly be called upper class.

I've known a lot of people all across the economic scale, but I know very very few that made a large upward jump in their adult lives and vaulted into a new category (and kept it). The average seems to be a lot of people getting "a little" ahead, and a few people backsliding tremendously to balance things out.

Trying to pull this back to thread-relevance though, my point was: Generally when you see someone who's obviously rich upper class, it's a statistical safe assumption they were born that way.

ZKraken22 08-31-2012 07:37 PM

damn that go pro survived that crash! that was funny! didnt even try to turn it was like he was fooled by the road!

asdfsammich 08-31-2012 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by falconfixer (Post 1896412)

Secondly, he target fixated. Well known phenomenom that it doesn't matter what you input(his piss poor steering inputs) if you fixate on a taget you will hit it.

True. Watched it a few times and it seems like he's aiming for the rocks.



Tapatalk & such etc

ImportConvert 08-31-2012 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1896419)
No offense, I just wouldn't call that "significant". You're still in the same ballpark. Lots of people make a little more for a while (and some don't). But being able to establish yourself at a completely new level of society is a different thing (as in: your dad worked manual labor, but you're a multi-millionaire-for-life living it responsibly and not necessarily required to "work" for a living anymore).

The most common counter-example is the middle-class guy who gets rich on a successful small business or investment idea at a relatively early age, but even among those a high percentage will fall right back to their "natural level" in well under 10 years by pissing it away and making poor financial choices.

When I was 19 I had already overtaken my dad's salary from his long term career by a hefty chunk. 15+ years later, and I still probably out-earn him by a little (he's continued to do well late into his career, and hasn't retired yet). In the big picture though, we're still in the same approximate economic class. We're both comfortably upper-middle, but lack the sort of stable, long-term financial freedom to truly be called upper class.

I've known a lot of people all across the economic scale, but I know very very few that made a large upward jump in their adult lives and vaulted into a new category (and kept it). The average seems to be a lot of people getting "a little" ahead, and a few people backsliding tremendously to balance things out.

Trying to pull this back to thread-relevance though, my point was: Generally when you see someone who's obviously rich upper class, it's a statistical safe assumption they were born that way.

I understand, but I don't know many multimillionairs, period. I do have a few friends that qualify, I believe, and do not have to work unless they decide to. One got bored and built a subway, it is very profitable. I think 150% is meaningful. It's the difference in new vehicles and ten year old vehicles. In vacations and not. In having credit card debt and not. Etc. However, yes, I am still in their same bracket. An m3 wouldn't be a problem though, so I assumed that was the reference point.

ImportConvert 08-31-2012 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich (Post 1896497)
True. Watched it a few times and it seems like he's aiming for the rocks.



Tapatalk & such etc

+1 one of the first things they taught us at spring mountain. Complete with a similar video.

ImportConvert 08-31-2012 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s (Post 1896366)
I think you're both saying the same thing here.

My parents were manual or trade type labor, with the exception of my step father who does it and learned on the job, basically,no college, and had no real grasp of what I was up to in school aside from my degree path. They simply trusted my judgement and supported me. I learned all I know from other sources, they just provided the assistance I needed, much thanks!

ImportConvert 08-31-2012 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1896403)
How he got the car doesn't really matter. It's the fact that this kid probably thinks he's the Stig after years of training on Gran Turismo. He Drives like a squid and crashed liked one. Definitely unfamiliar with the road. First mistake. Second mistake, don't race....or drive stupid unless it's something you can afford to fix.

Collisions like that in a vette start at $5k plus airbags and underbody.15k in a viper. What is it in an m3?

Cmike2780 08-31-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1896519)
Collisions like that in a vette start at $5k plus airbags and underbody.15k in a viper. What is it in an m3?

That thing is totalled. Way more than $5k worth of damage

zguynate 08-31-2012 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1896541)
That thing is totalled. Way more than $5k worth of damage

Word. Front bumper, radiator support, a/c condenser, radiator, fans, possible engine damage and suspension damage, and then the front air bags.

And Ill go ahead and second wstars comment on jumping social classes. Its very rare that someone goes from "rags to riches". Im not talking about Billy who managed to somehow afford a Lamborghini on a mechanics salary (I personally know some one who has done this lol) but going from living in a trailer park to living in the part of town where no one can afford, then being able to buy nice things on top of that.

With that being said, I know someone who makes 100k a year (thats a pretty big salary for this general area. I make 46k lol) and is always broke. Then I also know someone who makes 50k a year and supports his wife and 5 kids and still lives a somewhat comfortable life. Its all in how you handle your money. I cannot stress that enough, especially to younger people like my self. You would be surprised at what you can afford/save if you put back that money that you use for alcohol, drugs, going out to eat, etc.

ImportConvert 09-01-2012 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath (Post 1896752)
Word. Front bumper, radiator support, a/c condenser, radiator, fans, possible engine damage and suspension damage, and then the front air bags.

And Ill go ahead and second wstars comment on jumping social classes. Its very rare that someone goes from "rags to riches". Im not talking about Billy who managed to somehow afford a Lamborghini on a mechanics salary (I personally know some one who has done this lol) but going from living in a trailer park to living in the part of town where no one can afford, then being able to buy nice things on top of that.

With that being said, I know someone who makes 100k a year (thats a pretty big salary for this general area. I make 46k lol) and is always broke. Then I also know someone who makes 50k a year and supports his wife and 5 kids and still lives a somewhat comfortable life. Its all in how you handle your money. I cannot stress that enough, especially to younger people like my self. You would be surprised at what you can afford/save if you put back that money that you use for alcohol, drugs, going out to eat, etc.

Shy by a bit of six figures here, but I agree 100%. I am able to do quite a bit with it with no debt but my auto note. I rarely go out to eat (take my dad out once a week, that's it.) And have not been to see a movie since prometheus (it sucked, I thought.). But I do buy class 3 weapons like candy and just took delivery of 2.5 cases of .223 speer 64gr gold dot, so I have my vices...

b1adesofcha0s 09-01-2012 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1896518)
My parents were manual or trade type labor, with the exception of my step father who does it and learned on the job, basically,no college, and had no real grasp of what I was up to in school aside from my degree path. They simply trusted my judgement and supported me. I learned all I know from other sources, they just provided the assistance I needed, much thanks!

Exact same way here. I just graduated with an engineering degree and once I find a permanent engineering position, I should be good to make more than what both my parents do now combined :tup:

Cmike2780 09-01-2012 08:47 AM

Having a ton of cash is awesome, but you can be just as miserable making $20k a year as your are making $200k a year. My salary has doubled since I first started out of college 6 years ago, but it's the same old stress and problems no matter how much you make. I guess that's why I like cars so much. You can have just as much fun in a $500 beater as you would I a $250k Ferrari.

ImportConvert 09-01-2012 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1897093)
Having a ton of cash is awesome, but you can be just as miserable making $20k a year as your are making $200k a year. My salary has doubled since I first started out of college 6 years ago, but it's the same old stress and problems no matter how much you make. I guess that's why I like cars so much. You can have just as much fun in a $500 beater as you would I a $250k Ferrari.

I am so much happier now than I was as a child. I can actually afford things like health insurance, new clothing, etc. It's kindof nice not laying awake at night listening to your parents yell at each other about how they are going to afford food and pay bills. I've grown to enjoy the freedom of being a successful middle-class American. How does that stress you out? :confused:

wstar 09-01-2012 10:43 AM

Mo' Money Mo' Problems :rofl2:

Nismo89 09-01-2012 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MC (Post 1878902)


there's no other word to put this........

Dumb @$$. total DUMB A$$. :shakes head::wtf2:

Spooler 08-06-2015 10:57 PM

LMAO, Revive of an old thread but it sure was funny. Idiot.

Trips 08-06-2015 11:30 PM

Yes, Even after all these years the slow motion replay is just hilarious :bowrofl:

Firebase99 08-07-2015 05:50 AM

That should buff right out.

BlackZeda 08-07-2015 09:48 AM

If you are curious about how certain people have become rich and how their descendants have benefited from it, read Outliers: The Story of Success by Malcolm Gladwell. I came away from it somewhat bummed out, but at the same time feeling good about my lot in life.

BTW, it is an amazing time to be alive when almost anyone with some motivation can buy a car like the Z and still be able to drive it in "non-automated" mode.

2009_370z 08-11-2015 05:20 PM

DEAD. :owned::rofl2:

Of course it would be a young kid.

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3278659)
That should buff right out.



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