What do you think about the scion frs
 

I think the scion frs is one cheap *** car its a waist of money i mean serioulsy look at the inside and its still going for $25,000 lol my friends accent is faster. I seen one driving down the road the other day.

Here's the facts its slow over priced and very cheaply made.

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wrong section. BUT since im here, the FR-S i agree is rather cheap, but not everyone can afford a Z or a Vette or anything like that so, and i guess it all depends on where you tastes are at, some people dig the FR-S... others do not... all in your taste!

I actually think it is a decent car. I'm sure the porsche guys are saying the exact same thing about your Z.

5k more gets you a new base z or you can get a used vett 2004 with low miles.

or if you want to compare at that range then the 2012 Hyundai genesis brand new is way nicer and has 306 hp.

They wouldn't not to a 600 rwhp Z now if they still did ill be laughing at them in my gtr :)

I wouldn't trade my Z for one, but I think the FR-S is a marvelous car, considering the price. Power isn't everything, and there are other aspects of a car that make driving fun.

The back seats are as much made for people as the ones in a 911. Just there for insurance purposes. I'd be a mean mean person if I had to stuff 2 friends in there.

I sat inside a Toyota 86 at the Bangkok Auto Show a few months ago.

... Was really impressed with the seating position/feel of the interior; however, I didn't get to hear the engine or drive the car.
I'd be a little worried about the low horsepower figure (200 hp) and the small displacement of the flat-4 (2.0 liters). I imagine it's a fun car to drive, though. $25 grand is a good price for a light-weight sports car like this. I'm curious how it compares to a Mazda Miata.
It's too bad it's not being sold as a Toyota here in America

I think it's a close comparison. I think it would come down to whether you wanted the space and practicality of the four seater or the top down thrills of the convertible. As a daily driver, I'd give the FRS/BRZ the edge. As a toy, imo the Miata is much more fun to drive because of the drop top.

It needs boost.

I've been following this car since the beginning at the car shows it appeared to be a nice car but in reality it is not a piece of crap!

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its a nice car for those looking to take a " small" step forward. a sports car with plenty of grunt and power for those excited for their first sports car. i guess if you were to rank it within its own Class (i dont think its in the same class as the Z or Shelby exc) but for the class its in, it holds its own and does it purpose,

looks nice
overpriced

Having driven both, they feel just about the same. The interior on the FRS is horrid though. I'd spend the extra money for the nicer interior, HID, nicer front bumper IMO too

Also, would you rather take your subaru powered scion to a scion/toyota dealer or your subaru powered subaru to a subaru dealer? If I ever had an issue with it, I would rather take my car to a place that knows the drivetrain, not one that's learning it. Just saying...

I thought the interior looked/felt pretty nice.

I thought it was well laid out, but cheap materials. But it could be a lot worse. The Camaro I test drove in 2010 literally had pieces of its interior peeling off.

really? a brand new test-drive car? that's some crappy stuff!!:icon18:

You brought up an interesting issue. I've always wondered this since the car came out. Not like it's our concern anyway. lol. But you have a valid point. It's powered by Subaru except for the direct injection tech by Toyota (but DI is kinda a standard tech nowadays in most high power output cars...duh Toyota). Certainly if one buys a BRZ, Subaru dealers would definitely be the choice for services. For FRS owners, it would become ambiguous.

I think it is a hot looking lil car, I'm sure it will be mod friendly. If I were on a budget it would be on my short list. HP isn't everything.

What about handling and braking?

Mean 370Z coupe skidpad g's = 0.965
Mean 370Z coupe Slalom mph = 70.53

Mean FR-S/BRZ skidpad g's = 0.88
Mean FR-S/BRZ slalom mph (note: only 2 data points) = 68.2


Didn't bother gathering 60-0 braking data, but looked like around 110' for the Z and 120' for the FR-S/BRZ.


Data for 370Z from:

2010 Ford Mustang vs. 2009 Nissan 370Z Comparison Test on Inside Line

2010 Nissan 370Z Roadster Road Test

page 2 - 2009 Nissan 370Z - Road Test - RoadandTrack.com

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

2010 Nissan 370Z Roadster Road Test

2009 Nissan 370Z vs. BMW 135i Comparison Test on Inside Line


Data for FR-S/BRZ from:

2013 Scion FR-S Full Test

2013 Subaru BRZ Full Test and Video

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...t/viewall.html

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Had 4 new FRS's come out to the last local auto-x event. One of them still didn't even have plates on it yet. Wasn't really impressed. The exterior styling is good but the wheels are too skinny for the the body. Really detracts from the aggressiveness. The interior is no where near on par with the Z. It's not bad but not great. But for a sports car I wouldn't be too worried about it. One thing I thought was cheap was the fact that it doesn't come with a center arm rest.

Lastly, it didn't do as well on the track as the hype would make you think. With stock bald tires (the tread is down the bar indicator) I was pulling the same times or better than the 4 different FRS's. Driver skill does play a big role but considering this is only my 6th auto-x event I wouldn't say I'm experienced by any means.

Speaking to the drivers after the event was over I asked their impressions. They all said the same thing; very toss-able and fun out on the course but needs more power. When I asked more about their power needs they said during the auto-x it was difficult trying to keep the revs up in order to have the power needed to come out of turns and for daily driving it definitely wasn't anything exciting. Two of them said they were happy with their purchase even though they felt it lacking in some areas while the other two were disappointed and either looking to the aftermarket or trading in for something else next year. Of note, the two that were happy with thier purchase had never owned a faster car previously compared to the FRS. The two that were unhappy had each owned faster cars before (370z, STI, WRX, 240sx SR20 swap).

Yep.

Frankly, after seeing that this car can't accelerate, brake, OR handle, I'm officially done even thinking about it until they come out with a "super sport" version.

Performance-wise it is about on par with a 7th gen Celica GT-S... that's a 12-13 year old car now, and also FF. This car is barely a step up from that, and a big step down from a boosted GT-S.

Disappointing. Glad I bought the 370Z instead of waiting for the FR-S/BRZ :tup:

It would be a nice car for starters for having a aka sport car without the spank!
Modifying one is a good solution.

I've founds it quite odd how it's been lauded in some reviews because of it's lack of grip...they say it ups the "fun factor". Sports car praised for not having great grip, etc? :confused:

Didn't one of the FRS beat the 370 in a ProSolo? This is with a drag strip and corners. The FRS comes with econo tires, of course it is slow.

I think the car is good. What I have issue with is those absurd fanboy owners. They think this car is the greatest sports car ever made

Haven't heard this, but details would be of interest.

As you know, I've really peed in their lemonade on this :p

I just don't get how they fail to see that Toyota literally re-wrote the rules on what defines a sports car by throwing actual performance metrics completely out the window :icon14:

Oh, except for CoG. That's one metric they have noooo problem crowing about :rolleyes:

If they had done what Nissan had done -- pick a pricier car with good performance numbers and said, "we can do that at 1/2 the price!" it would have been a MUCH better car.

Oh well... here's hoping for a Gazoo twincharged or Subaru boosted version.

I completely agree with you on this. But I found it frustrating to reason with those fanboys on their forum. For instance, I would never say that the Z is as good as Lambo or Porsche, but those 86 fanboys would make such claim, which I consider simply retarded. However, even the stock Z can be as fast as some Maserati and Porsche regardless the precision in handling. What can the 86 do? It's basically too slow to be a real "sports car", so they can only make themselves feel better by saying it handles better than a Porsche or GT-R. Silly.

My bad, it didn't win in the ProSolo. It was actually some Street Tire class it won. I guess it doesn't mean anything.

The Sports Car Club of America - Solo

The frs is cute, I would buy over a Honda civic si , tc , and others in its class. Not to mention rwd?! Looks like that's the best part of the car


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I did these renderings for the Stillen FRS Body kit design contest. At least it looks fast, lol.

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Thank you. :tup:

I think it's a decent looking little car. I think the price is pretty ambitious given the interior quality on the base car, but I'd like to see the inside of a BRZ Limited before I say it's really overpriced.

Performance wise, when I heard "200 HP" I was thinking "Uh, OK, so is it like 2300 lbs?" and when it came out at nearly 2800 I was quite disappointed.

But for crying out loud, the fanboys. :ugh2: I am so tired of hearing about how this car is perfect and an extra 50 HP would ruin the car. It's as if it's not a "driver's car" unless you can put a brick on the accelerator before you run it through some cones in a ******* parking lot.

The backwards logic is astounding to a point where I just can't even stand to listen to it anymore. :wtf2:

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The **** of it is... the car only makes 150 lbft CRANK torque, and loses a whopping 20 lbft in the mid range -- with only 150 tq on tap, before drivetrain losses it cannot afford to plummet further.

This car desperately needs boost... but not in the minds of those whose last car was a 1996 Civic without a muffler -- to them this car is a big breasted wetdream come true :icon14:

Oh... the humanity. The car is such a fucccccccking disapointment :icon14:

But, yeah, if they had kept this at MX5 or MR2 weight, it would have been a whole different animal. Instead it's the logical upgrade from a Corolla -- barely :p

I don't know about the FRS, but the interior of the BRZ Limited -- upscale trim level -- looks pretty good from the pictures I've seen and my friends who have seen it in person agree.

My pre-order is supposed to come in early next week (scheduled Monday the 6th), so I guess I'll know for sure then. As for performance, it depends on what your are looking for. I'm not looking to replace my Z. Instead I'm replacing my commuter Mazda 3. The BRZ will be my go to work car and my Z will remain my weekend car.

So what if the Z is better. I'm not getting a second Z to drive on the weekdays so why should I limit myself to some 4 door front wheel drive econo box for commuting duties?

Also, I plan on tracking the BRZ -- I can't really do that with my roadster (probably could but I'd have to slouch to make sure the helmet is below the top of the roll bar). But the BRZ will cost half as much in maintenance to track and it's also much slower so I'm less likely to kill myself.

I'd rather have a GTI, and that is FWD.

BRZ interior looks pretty nice; FR-S looks like a typical cheap, practical(read:lame) interior.

Same here. I just cannot stand those fanboys' claim like it's the purest sports car ever. Give me a break. As they keep saying it's the spiritual successor of AE86. Guess what? AE86 was a freaken Corolla. that's it, and those fanboys made the AE86 like it was Skyline GT-R.:inoutroflpuke:

I was looking for a DD and decided to go with the new FWD Focus ST over these. Much better DD AND will eat their lunch in the performance area. These two are just overpriced for what you are getting.

I've got a friend with a GTI and while they are cheap to mod to pretty high levels -- with very little money you can get Golf R HP output out of them, they just don't do it for me. They may be better now, but I drove one in 2007 before I bought my Mazda and I wasn't very impressed.

I'm not into the "hot hatch" style so those sort of cars are not really in the running for me.

I don't get it. The whole point of buying a $25K car is to sink $10K into it to make it perform like a $30K car?!?

The whole point was to have an alternative to the miata, not the z. This car would make more sense five years from now, when you can buy a used one for under $10k. That's what makes the miata so great to track. If you look at the number of average miatas on track days, they're usually not brand spankn new. It is overpriced right now, but just think about all the people who will flood the market when they decide to get rid of it. Resale is gonna be crap, but awesome if you're the market for a cheap track car....just like the miata.