ZL1 beats new GT500

b1adesofcha0s · 06-19-2012, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lots of rumors the next-gen Camaro will be a radical change too (read, smaller and lighter). If it is, I MAY consider going back to ZE FATHERLAND that is GM.

I think GM knows that if they DON'T make the Camaro significantly lighter, it's game-over against the next-gen Moosestang.

I can already picture the e-arguing with Steve and his next gen Mustang happening now......

Isamu · 06-19-2012, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I can already picture the e-arguing with Steve and his next gen Mustang happening now......

fvcking fan boi!

mjd77 · 06-22-2012, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lots of rumors the next-gen Camaro will be a radical change too (read, smaller and lighter). If it is, I MAY consider going back to ZE FATHERLAND that is GM.

I think GM knows that if they DON'T make the Camaro significantly lighter, it's game-over against the next-gen Moosestang.

It was definitely in one of the car magazines that both the next generation Mustang and Camaro will be losing significant weight.

Shamu · 06-20-2012, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I'm sure it will, considering the next gen Mustang will probably be 1000 lbs lighter than the Camaro.

Camaro is also slated to move to smaller/lighter GM Alpha platform in 2014. Shared with new smaller Caddilac sports coupe. Same size as. A BMW 3 series. Camaro will have even shorter wheelbase according to industry rags. Should be interesting . But one thing for sure hold onto your big ole "wallowing" solid axle Mustangs as this will be end of an era. They are bound for classic status.

Everyone is downsizing in 2014/2015.

m4a1mustang · 06-19-2012, 10:27 AM

I wonder how the GT500 would compare with the same amount of tire the ZL1 runs. Never the less, kudos to GM for spending millions to be a little quicker than an ox cart.

m4a1mustang · 06-19-2012, 10:43 AM

Also, IBTL. It's only a matter of time.

Never · 06-19-2012, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Also, IBTL. It's only a matter of time.

Why?

jpritche · 06-19-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Never

Why?

Because a lot of people on here get butthurt when people bring up these discussions. It ALWAYS happens.

On topic: Congrats to GM, each car has their pros and cons and IMO if someone can comfortably afford either of these cars then they shouldn't give a sh1t what anyone thinks.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-19-2012, 10:54 AM

IBTL bitchez

Cmike2780 · 06-19-2012, 10:54 AM

With the whole industry going "greener." Some of the exotic lightweight materials is bound to become less expensive sooner or later. Just look at McLaren. The F1 was over 1 million dollars compared to the MP4-12C which cost a quarter of that. It took McLaren 3500 hours to piece together the F1's carbon fiber tub. The MP4-12C takes about 4 hours. If/when Ford and GM wake up and invest in this tech, I can only imagine how truly awesome these high powered engines will perform.

m4a1mustang · 06-19-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

With the whole industry going "greener." Some of the exotic lightweight materials is bound to become less expensive sooner or later. Just look at McLaren. The F1 was over 1 million dollars compared to the MP4-12C which cost a quarter of that. It took McLaren 3500 hours to piece together the F1's carbon fiber tub. The MP4-12C takes about 4 hours. If/when Ford and GM wake up and invest in this tech, I can only imagine how truly awesome these high powered engines will perform.

Ford has already established a relationship with DOW Chemical for the purpose of developing/producing light weight materials for future models. The goal is to make it cost-effective to use light weight carbon composites on mass-produced vehicles. Everything from a sub-compact to a minivan.

b1adesofcha0s · 06-19-2012, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Ford has already established a relationship with DOW Chemical for the purpose of developing/producing light weight materials for future models. The goal is to make it cost-effective to use light weight carbon composites on mass-produced vehicles. Everything from a sub-compact to a minivan.

Was thinking about looking for a job there, but it's all the way in DE. Wouldn't be able to work on cool research stuff without a PhD though

chris410 · 06-19-2012, 10:55 AM

First, YES...the ZL-1 beat the GT500 in this test however, consider the track layout. If you know anything about racing you'll quickly realize that there are "tight" and "open" tracks so the ZL-1 beating the GT500 on a tight track does not surprise me in the least. With the ZL-1 having the independent suspension I would expect it to beat out the GT500 in handling (tight or open track). Keep in mind, while the GT500 can handle and handle well, let's be honest, the car was designed for 1/4 and higher speed tracks. I would not take a GT500 and try to run tight tracks and given the ZL-1's suspension again...it would not surprise me to see it beat out the GT500 on a more open track however, I would expect the result to be pretty close.

Of course, from a roll, 0-60, 1/4, 1/8, or any other straight line race the GT500 will easily walk a ZL-1. Both are great cars so as a GT500 owner the competition is welcome. Keep in mind that the driver plays a major role as well. A lot of people see what some experienced drivers can do and reality hits when they go to a trackday and end up in the grass or run the 1/4 mile and find themselves slower than expected.

Iceagetlc · 06-19-2012, 11:09 AM

I came into this topic expecting the gt500 to be down by at least 2 seconds. I love the fact that it's too much power for a racetrack and still laps a near identical time as a car who's skippad ratings are some of the highest production G's recorded. Long live the muscle car era.

chris410 · 06-19-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Iceagetlc

I came into this topic expecting the gt500 to be down by at least 2 seconds. I love the fact that it's too much power for a racetrack and still laps a near identical time as a car who's skippad ratings are some of the highest production G's recorded. Long live the muscle car era.

I hope they do a review similar to the "budge supercar shootout" and have Randy Pobst run them the same way he did with the GT500, Z06, and GTR in this video:

GT-R vs Z06 vs GT500: 5-Figure Supercar Shootout! - YouTube

However, I would like to see the GTR replaced with the ZL-1. Let's be real here...the GTR is on its own level, that car is simply a MONSTER especially in 2013 having 550HP.

BTW...How are you liking your 2013? (off-topic: if you run into the 1st to 2nd gear grind issue, several people have found that either switching to the MGW shifter or removing the rubber boot cures the problem. )

06-19-2012, 10:27 AM	#5 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I wonder how the GT500 would compare with the same amount of tire the ZL1 runs. Never the less, kudos to GM for spending millions to be a little quicker than an ox cart. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-19-2012, 10:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Also, IBTL. It's only a matter of time. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	With the whole industry going "greener." Some of the exotic lightweight materials is bound to become less expensive sooner or later. Just look at McLaren. The F1 was over 1 million dollars compared to the MP4-12C which cost a quarter of that. It took McLaren 3500 hours to piece together the F1's carbon fiber tub. The MP4-12C takes about 4 hours. If/when Ford and GM wake up and invest in this tech, I can only imagine how truly awesome these high powered engines will perform. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

06-19-2012, 10:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
chris410 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 345 Drives: 10' GT500 Rep Power: 16	First, YES...the ZL-1 beat the GT500 in this test however, consider the track layout. If you know anything about racing you'll quickly realize that there are "tight" and "open" tracks so the ZL-1 beating the GT500 on a tight track does not surprise me in the least. With the ZL-1 having the independent suspension I would expect it to beat out the GT500 in handling (tight or open track). Keep in mind, while the GT500 can handle and handle well, let's be honest, the car was designed for 1/4 and higher speed tracks. I would not take a GT500 and try to run tight tracks and given the ZL-1's suspension again...it would not surprise me to see it beat out the GT500 on a more open track however, I would expect the result to be pretty close. Of course, from a roll, 0-60, 1/4, 1/8, or any other straight line race the GT500 will easily walk a ZL-1. Both are great cars so as a GT500 owner the competition is welcome. Keep in mind that the driver plays a major role as well. A lot of people see what some experienced drivers can do and reality hits when they go to a trackday and end up in the grass or run the 1/4 mile and find themselves slower than expected. __________________ Chris Current: 2014 WRX Stage I + SPT / 2013 Hayabusa 202HP Former:09 370Z 7-AT PW/Ark Type 2 exhaust/Evo R lip/TSW Nurburgring carbon

06-19-2012, 11:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
Iceagetlc Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: New Oxford, PA Posts: 139 Drives: '11 STI Limited S2 Rep Power: 14	I came into this topic expecting the gt500 to be down by at least 2 seconds. I love the fact that it's too much power for a racetrack and still laps a near identical time as a car who's skippad ratings are some of the highest production G's recorded. Long live the muscle car era.

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