Saw an fr-s on the road today...

shadoquad · 06-12-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain.

lol, I can, have, and will again.

I had high hopes for it, but after driving it, it struck me as considerably less fun for the money than a Miata.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-12-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

It needs boost.

ASK and you shall receive... at least on the subie it will.

The Subaru BRZ STI Engine Debuts in Japanese version of the Legacy and Next Generation WRX Car Rolodex

memorylasts · 06-12-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

ASK and you shall receive... at least on the subie it will.

The Subaru BRZ STI Engine Debuts in Japanese version of the Legacy and Next Generation WRX Car Rolodex

All of this will pretty much be a straight bolt on for the current engine.... you will have to work it, but swap it over and your set. This new block will be used in most if not alll future flat 4's for a while. Both in NA and boosted trim.

zguynate · 06-12-2012, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Low? No way, unless he had coilovers. We've got an FR-S and it's far from low.

The interior is lacking, but for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain. Unfortunately, dealers are piling on terrible "aftermarket parts" and "styling packages" and other BS so they can overcharge for them.

Here's why I LOVE the FR-S/BRZ:

1) It's RWD and it's relatively cheap. It's basically a hardtop Miata.
2) The primary goal from the engineers/designers was cheap, fun, and RWD. They compromised very little.
3) It handles great.
4) My favorite thing about this car is that it should light a fire under Nissan and Honda, maybe even Chevy and Ford, to bring similar cars to market. If this car sells well, the other guys are gonna want a piece of that pie. I can even see Mazda improving the Miata platform as a result. These are all great things. If Nissan brought back the 240SX, I'd be ecstatic.

Now, for things I don't like about this car...

OEM wheels and ride height make me sad. Our FR-S looks like a monster truck

ECU has some sort of trickery going on inside. Looks like some terrible cam timing or something... There's a huge power dip around 3500rpms. On top of that, the car isn't responding to bolt-ons very well. We partnered with Agency Power to develop an intake, exhaust, and some other bolt-ons. We made pretty good power with the exhaust or the intake, but together the result wasn't cumulative. It was like the ECU said "3+3=4". Also, the OEM clutch felt pretty lame. We partnered with Clutch Masters and they developed a new clutch for us, which is much better.

This. That was my reply on the 350 forums under you guys thread lol.

shadoquad · 06-12-2012, 01:41 PM

Also forgot... The car dipped below 500rpm at idle on me. It was really disconcerting, like the car was going to stall at stop signs. Has anyone else experienced this, or was I just test driving a dog?

370Z Purist · 06-12-2012, 01:42 PM

I'm sure the BRZ platform could be an easy candidate for an STi swap, although it does bring about the problem of emissions testing. Lightweight, plenty of space in the engine bay, and updated styling really lends an air of fresh, modern design.

Also, I'm sure someone is just gonna swap out the entire interior or something... the inside of the BRZ/FRS (FRS especially) reminded me of the interior of the 350Z... made the price tag seem too high for such an unrefined, cheap, almost thrown-together interior.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-12-2012, 01:48 PM

A guy down the block bought one in firestorm red. The profile is beautiful, front aggressive, rear looks unfinished and I agree the wheels just look weak as hell.... it does need FI considering we come from a v6. And people can pull the handling card all they want. Our cars still get 1g of grip in the mid 70'smph range. Our automatics are getting to 60 from 0 in about 4.8 seconds and 4.4 with a foot of rollot. Our manuals are .3 seconds slower. Quarter times are ranging 12.9 to 13.1 seconds stock with a broken in engine and a good set of rubber. I will pass on 15+second quarter times for a nimble feel. My Z feels plenty nimble without the car feeling like its going to fly away and not so fat and heavy that it feels like a boat. I think the Z is perfect. For its current power. I would like it to lose 200lbs. Other than that I think its perfect in its function.

That said. I'm going to test drive a FRS today. I am curious as well as I want to follow the build up to the turbo model. I have my eye on this car and with a turbo engine pushing this thing.

kenchan · 06-12-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

A guy down the block bought one in firestorm red. The profile is beautiful, front aggressive, rear looks unfinished and I agree the wheels just look weak as hell.... it does need FI considering we come from a v6. And people can pull the handling card all they want. Our cars still get 1g of grip in the mid 70'smph range. Our automatics are getting to 60 from 0 in about 4.8 seconds and 4.4 with a foot of rollot. Our manuals are .3 seconds slower. Quarter times are ranging 12.9 to 13.1 seconds stock with a broken in engine and a good set of rubber. I will pass on 15+second quarter times for a nimble feel. My Z feels plenty nimble without the car feeling like its going to fly away and not so fat and heavy that it feels like a boat. I think the Z is perfect. For its current power. I would like it to lose 200lbs. Other than that I think its perfect in its function.
That said. I'm going to test drive a FRS today. I am curious as well as I want to follow the build up to the turbo model. I have my eye on this car and with a turbo engine pushing this thing.

this is a family car. can't do any homedepot shopping and carry it home with you. fail

370zproject · 06-12-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by dragonbreath

I agree. Everyone already knows this car is going to sell a ton. It brings the sports coupe back to Toyota finally, a crowd that Toyota didnt previously cater to. Give it a couple of years and the aftermarket will take care of the cars lacking HP.

Shamu · 06-14-2012, 11:29 AM

It's a nice try by Toyota and Subi. Once all the fanboi hype dies off this is just an above average offering with RWD.

I agree with others that Japanese car companies tend to flock to similar competitive offerings so lets hope we see a small Nissan with 1.6 turbo soon.

Mazda announced long ago it was revamping MX5 platform so we should see something from them too.

Too bad they will all be ladies and small men's cars. Us over 6'3" foot dudes don't fit well in most of these small Japanese sports cars.

shadoquad · 06-14-2012, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

It's a nice try by Toyota and Subi. Once all the fanboi hype dies off this is just an above average offering with RWD.

I agree with others that Japanese car companies tend to flock to similar competitive offerings so lets hope we see a small Nissan with 1.6 turbo soon.

Mazda announced long ago it was revamping MX5 platform so we should see something from them too.

Too bad they will all be ladies and small men's cars. Us over 6'3" foot dudes don't fit well in most of these small Japanese sports cars.

To give it credit, I'm not tall, but the FR-S held a fatty like me pretty well.

Red__Zed · 06-14-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Also forgot... The car dipped below 500rpm at idle on me. It was really disconcerting, like the car was going to stall at stop signs. Has anyone else experienced this, or was I just test driving a dog?

For some reason this is really common on subarus for the first couple hundred miles. My wrx did it too...I think it has to do with a relatively slow leaning ecu for idle parameters.

shadoquad · 06-14-2012, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

For some reason this is really common on subarus for the first couple hundred miles. My wrx did it too...I think it has to do with a relatively slow leaning ecu for idle parameters.

So that's normal with the boxer 4? Ok, I asked the salesman, but he was pretty clueless about the vehicle.

Red__Zed · 06-14-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

So that's normal with the boxer 4? Ok, I asked the salesman, but he was pretty clueless about the vehicle.

Mine did it literally twice. Once was about 3 days after purchase, and the other time the temperature had dropped something like 50* overnight.

Both times it just did a quick blip below 500 rpms, but then caught and went back to a normal idle. Nothing bad happened, but kinda scary.

I've put 19,000 miles on the car since the last time it happened, though, and it has been good since.

Of course, it could also just be bad gas or whatever

90 ST · 06-14-2012, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

Low? No way, unless he had coilovers. We've got an FR-S and it's far from low.

The interior is lacking, but for the price and the goal of the car you really can't complain. Unfortunately, dealers are piling on terrible "aftermarket parts" and "styling packages" and other BS so they can overcharge for them.

Here's why I LOVE the FR-S/BRZ:

1) It's RWD and it's relatively cheap. It's basically a hardtop Miata.
2) The primary goal from the engineers/designers was cheap, fun, and RWD. They compromised very little.
3) It handles great.
4) My favorite thing about this car is that it should light a fire under Nissan and Honda, maybe even Chevy and Ford, to bring similar cars to market. If this car sells well, the other guys are gonna want a piece of that pie. I can even see Mazda improving the Miata platform as a result. These are all great things. If Nissan brought back the 240SX, I'd be ecstatic.

Now, for things I don't like about this car...

OEM wheels and ride height make me sad. Our FR-S looks like a monster truck

ECU has some sort of trickery going on inside. Looks like some terrible cam timing or something... There's a huge power dip around 3500rpms. On top of that, the car isn't responding to bolt-ons very well. We partnered with Agency Power to develop an intake, exhaust, and some other bolt-ons. We made pretty good power with the exhaust or the intake, but together the result wasn't cumulative. It was like the ECU said "3+3=4". Also, the OEM clutch felt pretty lame. We partnered with Clutch Masters and they developed a new clutch for us, which is much better.

Chevy is already working on a car in this market, check out the 130R and 140S, it looks interesting, so far.

06-12-2012, 01:42 PM	#21 (permalink)
370Z Purist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Zion, Illinois Posts: 1,873 Drives: '09 370Z-T BS M6 Rep Power: 19	I'm sure the BRZ platform could be an easy candidate for an STi swap, although it does bring about the problem of emissions testing. Lightweight, plenty of space in the engine bay, and updated styling really lends an air of fresh, modern design. Also, I'm sure someone is just gonna swap out the entire interior or something... the inside of the BRZ/FRS (FRS especially) reminded me of the interior of the 350Z... made the price tag seem too high for such an unrefined, cheap, almost thrown-together interior. __________________ -Phil "Since one of my brake light bulbs just went out, the forum told me that my piston rings are about to blow."

06-14-2012, 11:29 AM	#25 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 19	It's a nice try by Toyota and Subi. Once all the fanboi hype dies off this is just an above average offering with RWD. I agree with others that Japanese car companies tend to flock to similar competitive offerings so lets hope we see a small Nissan with 1.6 turbo soon. Mazda announced long ago it was revamping MX5 platform so we should see something from them too. Too bad they will all be ladies and small men's cars. Us over 6'3" foot dudes don't fit well in most of these small Japanese sports cars. __________________ Grant

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shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	Also forgot... The car dipped below 500rpm at idle on me. It was really disconcerting, like the car was going to stall at stop signs. Has anyone else experienced this, or was I just test driving a dog?

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UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	A guy down the block bought one in firestorm red. The profile is beautiful, front aggressive, rear looks unfinished and I agree the wheels just look weak as hell.... it does need FI considering we come from a v6. And people can pull the handling card all they want. Our cars still get 1g of grip in the mid 70'smph range. Our automatics are getting to 60 from 0 in about 4.8 seconds and 4.4 with a foot of rollot. Our manuals are .3 seconds slower. Quarter times are ranging 12.9 to 13.1 seconds stock with a broken in engine and a good set of rubber. I will pass on 15+second quarter times for a nimble feel. My Z feels plenty nimble without the car feeling like its going to fly away and not so fat and heavy that it feels like a boat. I think the Z is perfect. For its current power. I would like it to lose 200lbs. Other than that I think its perfect in its function. That said. I'm going to test drive a FRS today. I am curious as well as I want to follow the build up to the turbo model. I have my eye on this car and with a turbo engine pushing this thing.