Infiniti/Nissan working on 530-HP twin-turbo model?
 

Infiniti working on 530-HP twin-turbo IPL model for G

Could this mean a TT 370Z? or the very least DI?

.Now that I read this version of the article. It sounds like to me like either, there will be a revolutionary revamping of the nissan sports car lineup? Or, the new G ipl will NOT make it to the US, leaving us only the GT-R. If by chance we get a turbo model? It will probably be a 100hp less than the japanese version maybe 430hp at best. If by chance the 530hp ipl arrives? It will probably be sold here in super-llimited numbers. I have a feeling that nissan is going to go back to leaving the best of there cars in japan. In a way, I don't even blame them if they do???

I can see the GT-R getting a power bump to 600-650hp? The ipl 100 less. A new higher powered nismo Z getting the 530hp powerplant. a sport Z getting a 430hp powerplant. And an NA hybrid Z getting 380hp powerplant.
I see that 2.5L supercharged powerplant in the new 2014/15 Datsun-Silvia, a revamped infiniti G25, and possibly in the 2013 altima and altima coupe.

I think nissan wants to get the name in the 30k-100k market. Infiniti from 70k-??? And recreate datsun to run in the 15k-45k range. I think this will be the 7 year goal of nissan infiniti. Setting it off will be the G and Z. They both will be going well upmarket. But quality of both cars I think will reach new heights we just aren't expecting. Nissan is so hush hush and they do what they do well.

And next generation, I think it will be offered take it or leave it pricing liike they did with the skyline. We will probably say leave it then watch the world press rub in our faces that these are the best sports cars ever. Lol.

I heard other rumors that it will come from the Mercedes collaboration. The VQ is such a good engine, I hope it doesn't disappear. It looks promising for the revival of a Z with forced induction though.

Mercedes parts are always good.

Sounds silly. I did read an article that Nissan is investing some serious money to build a new V6 to replace the VQ

Future Z - 530 HP?
 

If the Z and G will continue to share a platform - an unknown right now - and assuming this isn't BS from Japan (which may well be the case, it's typical this far outy), imagine a factory Nismo with 530 HP!

Infiniti Super G with 530-hp Twin-Turbo V-6 in Pipeline - Motor Trend

Of course, you don't want to consider the price... which the "insider" says will be similar to the GT-R.

Only time will tell if the next Z will share a platform with the next G. Or even if the next G does indeed to go a shared Mercedes platform.

This could be a brilliant new future for the Z... or the end of the line for the FM platform as we know it. And where would development money come from for an entirely new platform for the Z?

Comments...?

if price were similar to a GT-R, then i would pick the GT-R...

:facepalm:

+ 1... 70-80k for Z? Doesn't make sense IMO? If priced <50k then there might be a real market for it. Who knows... we'll see in a few years I guess.

A GT-R is more like 90K and up these days... USD. That kind of price doesn't make sense for a Z... and it would also hurt the GT-R market. Unless that price is going to go up, too (yet again).

I read a lot of Japanese car magazines (well, don't read as much as look thru the pics and hope for English :tup: ). There is always a lot of speculation, even a lot of Photochops. It's fun to read, but it doesn't mean much.

You'll also note that Sam Mitani in Road & Track usually just copies this same stuff into his column there. Along with pictures - and suggests that it's from his own mind or from R&T. No credit given to the original Japanese writers. That's ridiculous.

I really have to wonder about this MT article... I think it's wishful thinking on the part of somebody who isn't even part of Nissan.

But nevermind the engine for now… that's a secondary question. The first question that Nissan product planners have to answer is what platform the next Z will be based on. Is the FM platform to be evolved or abandoned? If it is to be shared with the G families again (aka Nissan 250/370GT, FX, M), then that sets pricing and dimensions, the general weight, all the major hardpoints, as well as most of the engine family. That's the big question here that we don't know yet.

A recent spy picture of a "mule" G in Germany showed pretty much the same car as today... the brakes were all in the same place - which is usually a giveaway as to changes on mules. However the muffler was transverse. The rear suspension was the same track, however the front had been increased very slightly (just like the M). This is the only thing we have to go on so far... but it's mere existence suggests that a new family of cars will start to arrive in 2 years. Remember the cut-up 350Z with the 370Z parts underneath that was caught driving around Los Angeles? That type of thing is what we need to see soon so that we will know what's coming.

On my blog DrivingEnthusiast Blog | Motor Trend predicts a 530Hp Twin-Turn Infiniti G, I wrote two posts on this subject, covering my own predictions. Which revolved around an update to the current FM platform, and a 3 liter twin-turbo of 400 HP. Since Infiniti recently trademarked a couple of new logos, amongst them "G30t" and "G35h" - I felt that means a 3 liter (remember the VQ engine currently is found in displacements ranging from 2 liters to 4) twin-turbo and the existing M35 hybrid engine in the G.

Nissan has already revealed it is experimenting with a supercharged 2.5 liter DOHC 4 as a fuel economy strategy... that could be their "EcoBoost" which could then a base engine for the next Z. In fact the next Z, and again I'm out on a limb here, could have as many as 4 engines all shared with the next G (as the two engines today are). A base 2.5 supercharged, a 3.7 liter as today, the 3.5 hybrid, and the 3 liter TT. Imagine that - and it would be easy to do if and only if the platform is shared again with the G. There are also savings to Nissan because sharing cuts much of the expensive emissions and federal testing because of the shared platform. Remember, fuel economy has to improve significantly over the next few years... there will be changes to engine lineups whether we like it or not.

Are you ready for a Z with 4 engine options, instead of two? And a lower base price?

Disclaimer: like I said in my blog posting, I'm out on a limb.

New Z should be close to 400hp and as far as a turbo goes, that would be questionable. Everything nowadays has a turbo strapped to it.

Let's take this a bit further with some choices. Vote or discuss with a reply.

Givens:

• fleet average fuel economy has to significantly increase over the next few years. That could at a minimum impact a base engine for the next Z.
• sharing a platform with the Nissan FM platform family (which includes the Infiniti G) dictates most of the major dimensions, all of the major hardpoints, and an inherently higher weight than a dedicated Z-only platform would. Sharing a platform does provide significant savings in development and production costs.
• We don't know if there is a jointly developed platform with Mercedes because this has not been announced for this class of car.
• the very very low sales volume of the Z means minimal development money would be available for it - which is why the 350Z and 370Z used the common Nissan FM platform of their time
• an all-new platform is far more expensive to develop if it is an "orphan" - aka it isn't shared with anything else
• the current Z is fairly heavy, which is a result of the platform sharing and also impacts fuel economy
• Nissan does not have unlimited money to spend, a much higher rate of return is waiting in the developing Indian and fast-growing Chinese markets.
• we all love the Z and know that Nissan will continue it.

Disclaimer: we have no inside knowledge so this all open discussion.

Two questions: platform and engine for the next Z.

Please keep this realistic. No dreaming: Nissan will have to be on a realistic budget. Discuss what we feel is realistic given all the above, not impossible.

1. Platform

• Make it an evolution of the current FM platform and share it with Infiniti again. Use further weight saving measures to get the weight down a little more.
• Make it a variation of the upcoming joint Mercedes platform, to be shared with Infiniti. But don't cheap out on the suspension - we want all the same good bits.
• Make it a variation of the upcoming joint Mercedes platform, to be shared with Infiniti. But get the cost down by cheapening the suspension, as Hyundai does with the Genesis Coupe versus the Genesis Sedan (more stamped steel parts to reduce cost, even a front McPherson suspension).
• Take the time and expense to create an all-new and significantly lighter platform, understanding that it has to be shared with something other than Infiniti and that the "maximum" engine choice would be limited to a naturally-aspired V-6 because all the corresponding components would be lighter-duty. This may add years to the process, yet could also yield a smallish AE-86/200ZX type product as well as a premium matching rear wheel drive platform for Infiniti. This is a multi-billion dollar investment for Nissan.

2. Engines
(vote for/discuss multiple engines if you agree that this should be the case)

• Give the base Z a separate engine from the "touring/upmarket" Z, one which would provide much better fuel economy without loosing too much performance and which would have it's own unique driving character. Not a smaller V-6 As we've seen in the Infiniti G25 (which as Infiniti knows now makes for a very uninteresting car) but the supercharged 2.5 liter DOHC 4.
• Give the base Z a separate engine from the "touring/upmarket" Z. In this case, a 2.5 liter DOHC V-6, enhanced with direct injection.
• As a sole engine, or an upmarket engine (if multiple engines), upgrade the current 3.7 liter V-6 with more advanced electronics, direct injection, and other state-of-the-art enhancements to stretch it's life further into the future. Keep in mind that no matter what evolves here, this type of engine can only deliver mileage significantly under the required corporate average.
• As an upmarket offering, for a Nismo-type product, offer a naturally aspirated engine.
• As an upmarket offering, for a Nismo-type product, offer the twin-turbocharged 3 liter DOHC V-6 engine from the recently trademarked Infiniti G30t. The Nismo price would then be about the same as the G30t price - presumably upper 40s. HP would be just over 400.
• As an upmarket offering, for a Nismo-type product, offer a variation of the GT-R engine, rear wheel drive only, and slightly detuned. This implies a very high price, just under the entry level GT-R of the same timeframe (meaning, probably ~80s at a minimum). HP would be as much as 500.

I don't see why its questionable. 2 generations of Z went without turbo options, then two generations went with turbos. We went 2 generations without turbos. I can see the next two genrations coming with turbos. It makes perfect sense to me.
As far as several powerplants, I think there will only be two. An NA 3ltr one that that will most likely produce 280hp. And a turbo model which I think will hit around 400. I think the next chassis will weigh about 2900lbs.
The other sporty 2.5 supercharged engines will most likely go into the new Silvia that will most likely be introduced by Datsun.

Probably Silvias will start around $27-38k and Z's around 38-50k. If the 530hp goes into a Z??? It will probably go into a Z NISMO edition and will be limited to the standard 500units a year with a premium of around $54-60k. Makes a lot more sense to me.

The super G has been a rumour since 2008. Now that its coming to fruition I believe it will be a superluxury car with all the technological breakthroughs running through the cockpit and will have a 20k premium over a GT-R
I see the GTR eventually hitting the 3600lb mark and getting about 600hp, give or take 20hp. But staying pretty simple in the interior. Pretty much where it is now with a couple of extra enhancements. The GTR is AWD. I think the infiniti super G will have the option of RWD and AWD. The GTR will be faster. The infinit will have mercedes like interior.

forget the engine, if the Z is going in the direction of the 2013 looks then they may loose a lot of future customers based just on that.

I see can the next generation Z pushing a good 400hp. Now 500+ that might be sometime & it so I would assume the price would be b/w 70-80K, but the GT-R's price will definitely jump as well.

The next gen Z will not get 530hp and a GTR price tag, Nissan won't take away from the GTR market. Moreover, how many of us would have gotten the Z if we had to pay GTR prices? The Z is a mid-entry sports car meant for the $30000-$42000 price range. Anything more luxurious is reserved for Infiniti. It makes me sad to think that the Z will be offered with a multiple engines. The G does this and that is why you see them everywhere, the Z is a niche car, if Nissan blows that up the Z will lose its allure and you'll have your "v6 mustang" Z's running around with 200hp. What Nissan should do is continue to improve the Z, more displacement more power and refine what they can from the 370z (LIKE THE M6 CLUNKYNESS). With times being what they are my hopes may be a pipe dream as maximizing the dollars > niche market sports cars.

Great - except the point of the thread I started was about the Z - not the G.

Secret source..... that mean all the stuffs he/she said is unofficial, that mean the "Secret Source" could be the editor himself.... :ugh2:


A (new)530hp engine.....?? They have one already on the GT-R, why waste money on making a new one, port the current 530hp GT-R onto the new/future Z platform, use that funding to make a new engine for the GT-R, done deal.

In fact, they port the GT-R engine in a Juke and it works fine, why can't/wouldn't they do that on the Z with a new chassis??


Anyway, anything with unknown source, discreet, whatever secret...... I look at it as just for laugh or :stirthepot:

Well if you remember when pics were being shown of the GT-R before it came out, the GT-R was wearing the Infiniti badge I believe. This new G MIGHT get that ridiculous hp, but could be in the price range of 80-90k. We will have to wait & see what happens.

There's no way Nissan would release a vehicle that competes with the GTR on performance AND price. If anything, the G will have a much nicer interior, less power, softer suspension, etc. The only way I can imagine them selling a high power G series in the USA, is if it attracts an entirely different niche than the GTR.

I'm calling it!.. Next Z is going to be a lower displacement, high revving turbo with tech borrowed from the GT-R. I see the GT-R pushing closer to the 650-750hp mark to once again knock off the million dollar ultra-cars from Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo off the throne. We allready know it's possible to safely squeeze out that much from that engine.

Exactly... that's why the Motor Trend article is bunk.

it was a G35 Mule

http://www.gtr-world.net/media/1/200...ordring-12.jpg

http://www.gtr-world.net/media/1/200...ordring-06.jpg

Now that we know Datsun name is coming as a kia type brand. I expect the nissan name to go upmarket. I expect the juke, sentra, versa and possibly the altima go datsun along with a couple new datsun models. And nissan to start off woth the maxima, Z and the trucks along with some new models. The price range for the nissan I can see starting @ $30k and going up to 110k. I can see infiniti bringing the supercharged 2.5 motor into the G25 producing current power levels on lower displacement and adopting current G37 pricing. I see the G going upmarket and directly competeing at the same level as BMW. 5 series... the M into the 7 series segment. THE INTRODUCTION of the datsun name is going to change nissan as we know it. The new altima is offering so much technology for such a low price that I think nissan is finally going to be setting new standards again by 2015. I don't think the other companies are ready for what nissan is going to bring. Companies like hyundai, kia, honda and toyota will be stuck playing catch-up all over again.

They probably won't bring the Datsun name brand back in the US. The brand is directed more towards the India, Indonesia and Russian market were 'cheap' cars are the norm. Giving the Datsun nameplate to an already successful Nissan brand recognition is going to de-value those cars. The only way for a Datsun brand to succeed is to bring an entire economy lineup in the same breath as Scion to Toyota. I don't see that happening

Redesigned 2014 Infiniti G37 Confirmed for Spring 2013

I think this debunks the rumors of the next g coming summer 2014, and most importantly a $100k turbo g.

A high-level Nissan executive confirmed to Inside Line that the next-generation G37 will arrive in the spring of 2013. During discussions of various Infiniti products, Andy Palmer, executive vice president of Nissan and Infiniti's Global Business Unit, said "the new G will arrive a year from now."

It is interesting, and unusual that it is being talked about at this early date. Of course the present G is well behind the curve, and is being hurt by it's competitors. It's just not as attractive as it once was. I walked the showroom the other day comparing the G to the M and there is an enormous gap. And then I had a G25 service car while my G37S was being worked on and that thing was just sad. Substandard driving dynamics, even cheap leather on the base seats. Not anything attractive, or to aspire to. Buyers can do so much better. Look at the new Lexus GS, for example.
But the next big question is what happens to the Z. Does it move to the new platform with the G - accepting that that also dictates it's heavier weight and price (and there are no other platforms)? Does it have a base 4 cylinder engine option too? And what is the timing?
Likely 2 years out if the same schedule is followed again... and from the market standpoint the Z is a lot less exciting now and unique in the market than it was when the latest model came out.
Nissan had better do something to regain some Z momentum in the marketplace. The drop in the proverbial bucket they are spending on taking the Z racing in the last year might be a small part of a market awareness plan... but since that takes time and technical development, it might also be too late. Only the top cars get the publicity... the Z won't be a top car - at least not until after a few years of racing and getting experience. The Z won't be able to get the same results in the Grand-Am Continental Tire series that the Mustang did (of which almost all of it was with a non-production engine, and when there was no real competition).
I have to wonder what kind of Z Nissan thinks we all want in the next one... and if what we want in the marketplace is realistic and would produce some significant volume, or at least enough. It's easy for us to sit here and say we want 450 HP, but we are not the majority of the buyers demographic.

I seen somewhere it would be priced with the GTR, So...is the HP really worth that kind of money? Cant people do a TT build and save $30k?

Sure they can... except that they won't have a motor with the built internals of a GT-R. Or the factory tuning that would make it run perfectly. Or the suspension and drivetrain that makes it work so well.

Or the factory warranty that it would come with.

I have heard rumors of the z dropping back down to 3.0TT. I wouldn't be mad... even if it was still only 350hp as long as the weight and balance was addressed

We know that Infiniti has trademarked "G30t". So we know there is a turbo 3 liter (likely V-6). So it's an easy guess to think the Z would get this motor, too.
But the bigger question is the chassis... if it is shared again, then that dictates a certain weight range.