Infiniti/Nissan working on 530-HP twin-turbo model?

NYBladeZ · 04-29-2012, 07:40 PM

The next gen Z will not get 530hp and a GTR price tag, Nissan won't take away from the GTR market. Moreover, how many of us would have gotten the Z if we had to pay GTR prices? The Z is a mid-entry sports car meant for the $30000-$42000 price range. Anything more luxurious is reserved for Infiniti. It makes me sad to think that the Z will be offered with a multiple engines. The G does this and that is why you see them everywhere, the Z is a niche car, if Nissan blows that up the Z will lose its allure and you'll have your "v6 mustang" Z's running around with 200hp. What Nissan should do is continue to improve the Z, more displacement more power and refine what they can from the 370z (LIKE THE M6 CLUNKYNESS). With times being what they are my hopes may be a pipe dream as maximizing the dollars > niche market sports cars.

jwfisher · 04-29-2012, 09:25 PM

Great - except the point of the thread I started was about the Z - not the G.

alcheng · 04-30-2012, 02:01 AM

Secret source..... that mean all the stuffs he/she said is unofficial, that mean the "Secret Source" could be the editor himself....

A (new)530hp engine.....?? They have one already on the GT-R, why waste money on making a new one, port the current 530hp GT-R onto the new/future Z platform, use that funding to make a new engine for the GT-R, done deal.

In fact, they port the GT-R engine in a Juke and it works fine, why can't/wouldn't they do that on the Z with a new chassis??

Anyway, anything with unknown source, discreet, whatever secret...... I look at it as just for laugh or

MacLean · 04-30-2012, 12:02 PM

Well if you remember when pics were being shown of the GT-R before it came out, the GT-R was wearing the Infiniti badge I believe. This new G MIGHT get that ridiculous hp, but could be in the price range of 80-90k. We will have to wait & see what happens.

vividracing · 04-30-2012, 02:01 PM

There's no way Nissan would release a vehicle that competes with the GTR on performance AND price. If anything, the G will have a much nicer interior, less power, softer suspension, etc. The only way I can imagine them selling a high power G series in the USA, is if it attracts an entirely different niche than the GTR.

Cmike2780 · 04-30-2012, 02:51 PM

I'm calling it!.. Next Z is going to be a lower displacement, high revving turbo with tech borrowed from the GT-R. I see the GT-R pushing closer to the 650-750hp mark to once again knock off the million dollar ultra-cars from Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo off the throne. We allready know it's possible to safely squeeze out that much from that engine.

jwfisher · 04-30-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

There's no way Nissan would release a vehicle that competes with the GTR on performance AND price.

Exactly... that's why the Motor Trend article is bunk.

MC · 04-30-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgmg21

Well if you remember when pics were being shown of the GT-R before it came out, the GT-R was wearing the Infiniti badge I believe. .

it was a G35 Mule

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-30-2012, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

The next gen Z will not get 530hp and a GTR price tag, Nissan won't take away from the GTR market. Moreover, how many of us would have gotten the Z if we had to pay GTR prices? The Z is a mid-entry sports car meant for the $30000-$42000 price range. Anything more luxurious is reserved for Infiniti. It makes me sad to think that the Z will be offered with a multiple engines. The G does this and that is why you see them everywhere, the Z is a niche car, if Nissan blows that up the Z will lose its allure and you'll have your "v6 mustang" Z's running around with 200hp. What Nissan should do is continue to improve the Z, more displacement more power and refine what they can from the 370z (LIKE THE M6 CLUNKYNESS). With times being what they are my hopes may be a pipe dream as maximizing the dollars > niche market sports cars.

Now that we know Datsun name is coming as a kia type brand. I expect the nissan name to go upmarket. I expect the juke, sentra, versa and possibly the altima go datsun along with a couple new datsun models. And nissan to start off woth the maxima, Z and the trucks along with some new models. The price range for the nissan I can see starting @ $30k and going up to 110k. I can see infiniti bringing the supercharged 2.5 motor into the G25 producing current power levels on lower displacement and adopting current G37 pricing. I see the G going upmarket and directly competeing at the same level as BMW. 5 series... the M into the 7 series segment. THE INTRODUCTION of the datsun name is going to change nissan as we know it. The new altima is offering so much technology for such a low price that I think nissan is finally going to be setting new standards again by 2015. I don't think the other companies are ready for what nissan is going to bring. Companies like hyundai, kia, honda and toyota will be stuck playing catch-up all over again.

Cmike2780 · 04-30-2012, 07:02 PM

They probably won't bring the Datsun name brand back in the US. The brand is directed more towards the India, Indonesia and Russian market were 'cheap' cars are the norm. Giving the Datsun nameplate to an already successful Nissan brand recognition is going to de-value those cars. The only way for a Datsun brand to succeed is to bring an entire economy lineup in the same breath as Scion to Toyota. I don't see that happening

azn370z · 05-14-2012, 09:03 PM

Redesigned 2014 Infiniti G37 Confirmed for Spring 2013

I think this debunks the rumors of the next g coming summer 2014, and most importantly a $100k turbo g.

A high-level Nissan executive confirmed to Inside Line that the next-generation G37 will arrive in the spring of 2013. During discussions of various Infiniti products, Andy Palmer, executive vice president of Nissan and Infiniti's Global Business Unit, said "the new G will arrive a year from now."

jwfisher · 05-14-2012, 11:08 PM

It is interesting, and unusual that it is being talked about at this early date. Of course the present G is well behind the curve, and is being hurt by it's competitors. It's just not as attractive as it once was. I walked the showroom the other day comparing the G to the M and there is an enormous gap. And then I had a G25 service car while my G37S was being worked on and that thing was just sad. Substandard driving dynamics, even cheap leather on the base seats. Not anything attractive, or to aspire to. Buyers can do so much better. Look at the new Lexus GS, for example.
But the next big question is what happens to the Z. Does it move to the new platform with the G - accepting that that also dictates it's heavier weight and price (and there are no other platforms)? Does it have a base 4 cylinder engine option too? And what is the timing?
Likely 2 years out if the same schedule is followed again... and from the market standpoint the Z is a lot less exciting now and unique in the market than it was when the latest model came out.
Nissan had better do something to regain some Z momentum in the marketplace. The drop in the proverbial bucket they are spending on taking the Z racing in the last year might be a small part of a market awareness plan... but since that takes time and technical development, it might also be too late. Only the top cars get the publicity... the Z won't be a top car - at least not until after a few years of racing and getting experience. The Z won't be able to get the same results in the Grand-Am Continental Tire series that the Mustang did (of which almost all of it was with a non-production engine, and when there was no real competition).
I have to wonder what kind of Z Nissan thinks we all want in the next one... and if what we want in the marketplace is realistic and would produce some significant volume, or at least enough. It's easy for us to sit here and say we want 450 HP, but we are not the majority of the buyers demographic.

JrumMusic · 05-14-2012, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cgmg21

Well if you remember when pics were being shown of the GT-R before it came out, the GT-R was wearing the Infiniti badge I believe. This new G MIGHT get that ridiculous hp, but could be in the price range of 80-90k. We will have to wait & see what happens.

I seen somewhere it would be priced with the GTR, So...is the HP really worth that kind of money? Cant people do a TT build and save $30k?

jwfisher · 05-15-2012, 07:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JrumMusic

I seen somewhere it would be priced with the GTR, So...is the HP really worth that kind of money? Cant people do a TT build and save $30k?

Sure they can... except that they won't have a motor with the built internals of a GT-R. Or the factory tuning that would make it run perfectly. Or the suspension and drivetrain that makes it work so well.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-15-2012, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwfisher

Sure they can... except that they won't have a motor with the built internals of a GT-R. Or the factory tuning that would make it run perfectly. Or the suspension and drivetrain that makes it work so well.

Or the factory warranty that it would come with.

04-29-2012, 07:40 PM	#16 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	The next gen Z will not get 530hp and a GTR price tag, Nissan won't take away from the GTR market. Moreover, how many of us would have gotten the Z if we had to pay GTR prices? The Z is a mid-entry sports car meant for the $30000-$42000 price range. Anything more luxurious is reserved for Infiniti. It makes me sad to think that the Z will be offered with a multiple engines. The G does this and that is why you see them everywhere, the Z is a niche car, if Nissan blows that up the Z will lose its allure and you'll have your "v6 mustang" Z's running around with 200hp. What Nissan should do is continue to improve the Z, more displacement more power and refine what they can from the 370z (LIKE THE M6 CLUNKYNESS). With times being what they are my hopes may be a pipe dream as maximizing the dollars > niche market sports cars. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-29-2012, 09:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
jwfisher Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 15 Drives: 2009 G37S Stillen SC Rep Power: 16	Great - except the point of the thread I started was about the Z - not the G. __________________ 2009 G37S, Stillen SC, Stillen oil and tranny coolers, Stillen swaybars, SPC adjustable suspension, ARK exhaust. www.DrivingEnthusiast.net (personal website, blogs, RSS feeds)

04-30-2012, 02:01 PM	#20 (permalink)
vividracing The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Gilbert, AZ Age: 38 Posts: 7,306 Drives: 350Z,370Z,GTR Rep Power: 39	There's no way Nissan would release a vehicle that competes with the GTR on performance AND price. If anything, the G will have a much nicer interior, less power, softer suspension, etc. The only way I can imagine them selling a high power G series in the USA, is if it attracts an entirely different niche than the GTR. __________________ Rocky @ Vivid ♦ 480.966.3040 x236 ♦ Rocky@vividracing.com Email, PM, or call me directly for aggressive The370Z.com member pricing!!!

04-30-2012, 02:51 PM	#21 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I'm calling it!.. Next Z is going to be a lower displacement, high revving turbo with tech borrowed from the GT-R. I see the GT-R pushing closer to the 650-750hp mark to once again knock off the million dollar ultra-cars from Ferrari/Porsche/Lambo off the throne. We allready know it's possible to safely squeeze out that much from that engine. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

04-30-2012, 07:02 PM	#25 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	They probably won't bring the Datsun name brand back in the US. The brand is directed more towards the India, Indonesia and Russian market were 'cheap' cars are the norm. Giving the Datsun nameplate to an already successful Nissan brand recognition is going to de-value those cars. The only way for a Datsun brand to succeed is to bring an entire economy lineup in the same breath as Scion to Toyota. I don't see that happening __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

04-30-2012, 02:01 AM	#18 (permalink)
alcheng A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 28,894 Drives: 2011 ZR PW w/Clutch Rep Power: 418353	Secret source..... that mean all the stuffs he/she said is unofficial, that mean the *"Secret Source"* could be the editor himself.... A (new)530hp engine.....?? They have one already on the GT-R, why waste money on making a new one, port the current 530hp GT-R onto the new/future Z platform, use that funding to make a new engine for the GT-R, done deal. In fact, they port the GT-R engine in a Juke and it works fine, why can't/wouldn't they do that on the Z with a new chassis?? Anyway, anything with unknown source, discreet, whatever secret...... I look at it as just for laugh or

04-30-2012, 12:02 PM	#19 (permalink)
MacLean A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston Posts: 1,589 Drives: '12 GM Nismo # 0445 Rep Power: 16	Well if you remember when pics were being shown of the GT-R before it came out, the GT-R was wearing the Infiniti badge I believe. This new G MIGHT get that ridiculous hp, but could be in the price range of 80-90k. We will have to wait & see what happens.

05-14-2012, 09:03 PM	#26 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	Redesigned 2014 Infiniti G37 Confirmed for Spring 2013 I think this debunks the rumors of the next g coming summer 2014, and most importantly a $100k turbo g. A high-level Nissan executive confirmed to Inside Line that the next-generation G37 will arrive in the spring of 2013. During discussions of various Infiniti products, Andy Palmer, executive vice president of Nissan and Infiniti's Global Business Unit, said "the new G will arrive a year from now." __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

05-14-2012, 11:08 PM	#27 (permalink)
jwfisher Base Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 15 Drives: 2009 G37S Stillen SC Rep Power: 16	It is interesting, and unusual that it is being talked about at this early date. Of course the present G is well behind the curve, and is being hurt by it's competitors. It's just not as attractive as it once was. I walked the showroom the other day comparing the G to the M and there is an enormous gap. And then I had a G25 service car while my G37S was being worked on and that thing was just sad. Substandard driving dynamics, even cheap leather on the base seats. Not anything attractive, or to aspire to. Buyers can do so much better. Look at the new Lexus GS, for example. But the next big question is what happens to the Z. Does it move to the new platform with the G - accepting that that also dictates it's heavier weight and price (and there are no other platforms)? Does it have a base 4 cylinder engine option too? And what is the timing? Likely 2 years out if the same schedule is followed again... and from the market standpoint the Z is a lot less exciting now and unique in the market than it was when the latest model came out. Nissan had better do something to regain some Z momentum in the marketplace. The drop in the proverbial bucket they are spending on taking the Z racing in the last year might be a small part of a market awareness plan... but since that takes time and technical development, it might also be too late. Only the top cars get the publicity... the Z won't be a top car - at least not until after a few years of racing and getting experience. The Z won't be able to get the same results in the Grand-Am Continental Tire series that the Mustang did (of which almost all of it was with a non-production engine, and when there was no real competition). I have to wonder what kind of Z Nissan thinks we all want in the next one... and if what we want in the marketplace is realistic and would produce some significant volume, or at least enough. It's easy for us to sit here and say we want 450 HP, but we are not the majority of the buyers demographic. __________________ 2009 G37S, Stillen SC, Stillen oil and tranny coolers, Stillen swaybars, SPC adjustable suspension, ARK exhaust. www.DrivingEnthusiast.net (personal website, blogs, RSS feeds)

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