Jeez, the GT-R first loses to the 'vette, now the Camaro, lmao!

ImportConvert · 03-02-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

debated on even commenting but let me make sure i have all the facts here

you are comparing a GM factory test driver they used in the ZL1 in a official video from chevrolet vs the GTRs 2:53.2 time from car and driver lighting lap right? and claiming that a what .9 sec better time by said driver really means the ZL1 Camaro is faster around a track than the GTR? nothing against you but thats sort of ignorant.. the ZL1 looking at say the boss 302 for example time and how its stacked up against the ZL1 in other reviews im betting car and driver would have put in a 2:59 at best or something with the ZL1

so to say the GTR got beat by the ZL1 makes no sense..... lets put GMs driver vs suzuki-san in the GTR and see how that ends for camaro

the ZL1 did the ring in what 7:41 with their factory driver?

the title of the thread is misleading at best

I'm comparing the time to Randy Pobst's in the GTR. He's an actual "driver", and (successfully) races an AWD vehicle professionally, he's not some C&D editor.

http://www.randypobst.com/index.cfm?template=results

Now, he may not be able to best Suzuki-San, but I don't know, all I found when I googled him to compare careers were some manga comics and a stuffed bear.

The 'ring is a different "track", and results vary from the 'ring to VIR of course. Not every car can be the fastest on every track.

MC · 03-02-2012, 07:43 PM

i know who he is he did a good z06 vs gtr comparison last year..you think randy pobst would be faster in the ZL1 than the GTR in the lightning lap?

all i want to know is you can say with a straight face that you really believe a ZL1 camaro is faster than a 2012 GTR? or for that matter that the ZL1 is really close enough in performance that on some tracks it could really swap back and forth? ZR1 or Z07 Z06 with the cup tires...sure i give you that... but really the camaro...if you can good for you

you would then also have to believe the ZL1(2:52.4) is within 2 secs of the ZR1 at VIR... (2:50.7)

not trying to start some back and forth but lets just use some logic here

vo2max99 · 03-02-2012, 08:50 PM

Based on the reviews / results I've seen so far it appears the ZL1 will be every bit as quick and perhaps in some instances quicker than the GT-R. If the ZL1 needs good tires to do it so what. The GT-R cost about 2X as much and has all sorts of what many would consider "unfair" advantages (Driver error correcting AWD, Auto gearbox, etc)

Even at high altitude where the ZL1 could only manage a 1/4 mile of: 12.9@113mph (about the same time as the 426hp SS) it was still within striking distance of the 12' GT-R on a 2.2 mile course.

Red__Zed · 03-02-2012, 09:01 PM

Speedy · 03-02-2012, 09:03 PM

No replacement for American V8 muscle, that's for sure.

cossie1600 · 03-02-2012, 10:11 PM

WTF, I think the car runs on the pilot cup, which is basically a race tire like hte GT3 ones. Also 125mph up the esses, that's balling right there

ImportConvert · 03-03-2012, 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by MC

i know who he is he did a good z06 vs gtr comparison last year..you think randy pobst would be faster in the ZL1 than the GTR in the lightning lap?

all i want to know is you can say with a straight face that you really believe a ZL1 camaro is faster than a 2012 GTR? or for that matter that the ZL1 is really close enough in performance that on some tracks it could really swap back and forth? ZR1 or Z07 Z06 with the cup tires...sure i give you that... but really the camaro...if you can good for you

you would then also have to believe the ZL1(2:52.4) is within 2 secs of the ZR1 at VIR... (2:50.7)

not trying to start some back and forth but lets just use some logic here

I'm just saying that the zl1 has posted a better official time at vir than the gtr.

m4a1mustang · 03-07-2012, 02:44 PM

FWIW ZL1 Production has been halted due to a "quality assessment."

HKYStormFront · 03-07-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I'm just saying that the zl1 has posted a better official time at vir than the gtr.

while there is something to be said for that, that's just like saying that one drag strip time at one course is equivalent to another track's. you can't. temps, prep, humidity... all of these things come into play when you talk about drag times. the same goes for track days. if chevrolet really wanted to prove the ZL1 was faster, they should have had a GTR on site that day to compare to. i don't think that's what they were going for at all. i think they just wanted to post an impressive time. in that regard, they succeeded. that's a very impressive time.

to draw any conclusions from this other than that is simply foolish.

BigT · 03-07-2012, 03:43 PM

2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs. 2013 Nissan GT-R Premium Road Test ? RoadandTrack.com

m4a1mustang · 03-07-2012, 04:01 PM

I can't believe they were only able to drive the ZL1 to a 12.9 @ 113. That's way too slow for 580hp.

HKYStormFront · 03-07-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I can't believe they were only able to drive the ZL1 to a 12.9 @ 113. That's way too slow for 580hp.

it's a bit heavy...

m4a1mustang · 03-07-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

it's a bit heavy...

Yeah but it isn't heavy enough to limit itself to a 113 mph trap. I could see a 12.9 second ET spinning the hell out of the tires, but given the power it should be trapping well above 113.

HKYStormFront · 03-07-2012, 04:13 PM

agreed, it should easily be in the 11's if not close to 10's

Cmike2780 · 03-07-2012, 04:20 PM

Maybe they had a fat driver.

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vo2max99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 120 Drives: 08MS3-BM-6MT Rep Power: 13	Based on the reviews / results I've seen so far it appears the ZL1 will be every bit as quick and perhaps in some instances quicker than the GT-R. If the ZL1 needs good tires to do it so what. The GT-R cost about 2X as much and has all sorts of what many would consider "unfair" advantages (Driver error correcting AWD, Auto gearbox, etc) Even at high altitude where the ZL1 could only manage a 1/4 mile of: 12.9@113mph (about the same time as the 426hp SS) it was still within striking distance of the 12' GT-R on a 2.2 mile course. Last edited by vo2max99; 03-02-2012 at 08:53 PM.

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cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 30	WTF, I think the car runs on the pilot cup, which is basically a race tire like hte GT3 ones. Also 125mph up the esses, that's balling right there Last edited by cossie1600; 03-02-2012 at 10:21 PM.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I can't believe they were only able to drive the ZL1 to a 12.9 @ 113. That's way too slow for 580hp. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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