Originally Posted by Rally (Post 1515414)

Am I the only one excited for the upcoming release of the camaro zl1? I mean
Pros.
1. The numbers this thing are putting out are pretty sweet. 0-60 in 3.9. 1/4 in 12 flat! And top speed of 184. Those are pretty impressive if you ask me. And to me the by far most impressive number is the nurburgring lap time of 7:41.27. Which is amazing to see from a car of this price and weight.
2. The styling is awesome. Really, really aggressive. Everything form the rims to the hood is aggressive.

Neutral.
1. Interior. I'm not sure if I like it or not. I mean it's definitely above the likes of corvettes. But it sort of still looks like a rental car. Not as much as it used too but still kinda. I think the Z has a lot better interior but thats mostly because of the gauges/wild styling.
2. It's a camaro. As stupid as this sounds, camaros don't get a lot of respect where I live and I don't know if the aggressive styling of the Zl1 is enough to differentiate itself from the already aggressive camaro.

Cons.
1. WEIGHT! I don't care how much HP you put into a car I don't like heavy cars. Heck for the size of the 370z I would prefer it to be around 75-100 lbs. lighter. But I know that would probably be impossible with the 370z's price. But I honestly don't care about the weight if it can beat a Z06 around the nurburgring.
2. Ok I'll say it... It's a chevy. 'Nough said.

What are you alls thoughts on it? To me it's a great middle between the 370z and GTR and it sorta beats the z06 in every category especially since it's 20k cheaper... Oh and the reason I didn't mention the mustang in this comparison is because I would never consider buying a mustang (Unless it's a classic) for a number of reasons.:stirthepot:
And i'm :excited: waiting for this car!

Originally Posted by NissanUSA (Post 1517638)

Oh and since were talking about GM cars and stuff heres something hilarious. Kelley Blue Book
Scroll down to the interior section...
The corvette only uses the "highest quality parts and trim" ahahaha. I found that hilarious :icon17:

Originally Posted by sboden (Post 1516545)

You didn't read the Motor Trend head to head between the Boss and the ZL1. It beat the Boss in all categories except price. The ZL1 with the weight handles pretty darn good. GM did a very good job on it. Lots of people have knocked GM's reliability. It is mostly a thing of the past. I did not own a domestic vehicle from 93 to 05. I leased all my vehicles, so in that time frame I drove a lot of different non domestic brands: Volvo, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Infiniti, and Honda to name some of them. Since 05 I've drove 1 Dodge (Magnum with Hemi), 1 Saturn (Sky Redline), 2 GMC's (Acadia, Terrain both wife's cars). The only issue I've had with anything other than the Sky was a Nav issue with the Terrain which is Pioneer's fault. GM replaced the head unit with no problem. The Sky had several issues but was also a first year release. I guess what I'm saying is I've had no more issues with the domestic vehicles than I had with the non domestic vehicles. People need to move on.

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 1517918)

heres a nice little writeup on all the GT500's goodies.

2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Official Photos and Info – News – Car and Driver

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1517936)

I saw a nice looking car.

I also read a bunch of rubbish about something weighing over 3700# with skinnier tires than a 370Z Nismo that comes in RWD only and has 600# of torque with a table-top power-curve.

It may well compete with the ZL1, but it doesn't have anything for the Z06 even in its wildest dreams. The Z06 is a driver's car, not a drag-strip bottle-rocket. The GT500 will never be what the Z06/ZR1 are. Not until they do some suspension work that involves a real tire, trim some fat, etc.

Also, the physics of IRS vs. SRA cannot be denied. You won't see it show up on a skidpad or a track, but take it to the street and introduce pot-holes and the like, and the SRA cannot help but have a smaller contact-patch when one tire dips into a pot-hole. It's just simple physics at that point.

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 1517938)

never compared it to a Z06, two completely different animals.

Originally Posted by NissanUSA (Post 1517638)

Oh and since were talking about GM cars and stuff heres something hilarious. Kelley Blue Book
Scroll down to the interior section...
The corvette only uses the "highest quality parts and trim" ahahaha. I found that hilarious :icon17:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 1517936)

I saw a nice looking car.

I also read a bunch of rubbish about something weighing over 3700# with skinnier tires than a 370Z Nismo that comes in RWD only and has 600# of torque with a table-top power-curve.

It may well compete with the ZL1, but it doesn't have anything for the Z06 even in its wildest dreams. The Z06 is a driver's car, not a drag-strip bottle-rocket. The GT500 will never be what the Z06/ZR1 are. Not until they do some suspension work that involves a real tire, trim some fat, etc.

Also, the physics of IRS vs. SRA cannot be denied. You won't see it show up on a skidpad or a track, but take it to the street and introduce pot-holes and the like, and the SRA cannot help but have a smaller contact-patch when one tire dips into a pot-hole. It's just simple physics at that point.

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 1517915)

That comparo made ZERO sense to me. Of course a car with 130hp more would pull ahead in the straights. The best comparo will be when it competes with the GT500 which is in the ZL1's price/class range. I've heard that Ford has tweaked the suspension up a bit (electronically adjustable Bilstein yada yada yada), the SLA complaint is null and void. Have you seen the new GT500 btw? Looks waaaay more impressive IMHO.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1518071)

Even though it outperforms many "true" sports cars. :icon17:

Originally Posted by Pharmacist (Post 1518167)

Sports cars are about more than numbers or lap times or 0-60 times. That's what magazine racing is for. Sports cars are about weight reduction, nimble handling, good driver feel, good balance, etc. A Bugatti Veyron or C63 AMG can lap faster than a Cayman R or S2000. Which ones are the better sports cars?

I recently test drove a 2011 Mustang. Felt pretty good, and decent balanced, but didn't really feel as crisp or as nimble as my Z felt. Dampers were a bit too soft. The car also felt very huge from the inside. A long never-ending hood with a big bump in the middle made it difficult to tell precisely where the front wheels were. And the worst thing as the steering. It was so numb and devoid of feel that it felt more like a Lexus than a sports car.

The new mustang gt may post very good lap times, and have pretty decent handling, but it's still a bit more muscle car than sports car.

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 1518170)

You should have put it in Sport Mode.

Also, Brembo or no Brembo?