Even though it outperforms many "true" sports cars. :icon17:

Yea, I've seen it. In another post on this thread I said I'd pick the looks of the mustang over the ZL1. I'm more or less saying the ZL1 is also a car that handles well. Look at the times for the weight. I'll wait and see if the 2013 GT500 improves enough in the handling department.

I also agree with another poster that the Mustang has improved more than any other car. I didn't own domestic for many years because they were an inferior product. They no longer are. I'll look at them equally with the imports. I do NOT have brand loyalty. I buy based upon what emotionally moves me whether it be Nissan, GM, Ford, Toyota, Subie and so on. In this case the Mustang emotionally moves me more than the ZL1. We all have our opinions.

Sports cars are about more than numbers or lap times or 0-60 times. That's what magazine racing is for. Sports cars are about weight reduction, nimble handling, good driver feel, good balance, etc. A Bugatti Veyron or C63 AMG can lap faster than a Cayman R or S2000. Which ones are the better sports cars?

I recently test drove a 2011 Mustang. Felt pretty good, and decent balanced, but didn't really feel as crisp or as nimble as my Z felt. Dampers were a bit too soft. The car also felt very huge from the inside. A long never-ending hood with a big bump in the middle made it difficult to tell precisely where the front wheels were. And the worst thing as the steering. It was so numb and devoid of feel that it felt more like a Lexus than a sports car.

The new mustang gt may post very good lap times, and have pretty decent handling, but it's still a bit more muscle car than sports car.

You should have put it in Sport Mode.

Also, Brembo or no Brembo?

Brembo. But didn't have any sport mode. Based on my limited Google search, it seems steering mode is only a feature on the 2012 models.

Brake, tap tc twice. I've riden in Steve's '11 on sport mode.

I wish I had the selective steering from the 12s. The sport light annoys me so I'd like to be able to just set the steering to Sport all the time and only go into actual Sport Mode when I feel like it.

does sport mode on the 2011 car also change steering feel or is it just traction and stability control?

It changes the steering feel. Sport mode in the Brembo cars is actually very sick. It lets you do a lot and isn't intrusive at all. If you get a little too carried away it will ease you back in line.

If you were to accidentally go into a corner to hot and slip too far for Sport Mode's comfort, it basically says, "hold on, I'm going to make you look good." :icon17:

Another thing, coming from the Z, it definitely takes a little time to get acclimated to the size and feel of the Mustang. Once you get comfortable with where everything is it really starts to feel good. Quite nimble.

It's especially impressive once you get a feel for just how far you can push it.

I'm actually swapping my stock suspension for new springs, Koni Sport (yellow) shocks and struts, and a watts link rear suspension along with Michelin Pilot Super Sport tires so I can't wait to feel out the new setup. It's going to be a better setup than the Boss, which is pretty impressive by itself.

No kidding. The car felt bigger than even some 4 dr sedans i drove. Why did Ford make it so damn huge? The 4th generation car was garbage, but at least its size was somewhat reasonable.

:icon17: It is somewhat large, but it does carry its weight pretty well especially if you get some good dampers on it. If you're used to the Z it really feels big. Now that I've been driving it for a while though it feels much smaller than it really is mainly due to how it drives.

The next generation is supposed to have smaller dimensions and will be no more than 3,350 lbs. I'm interested in seeing how that one turns out.

Because it is a Mustang.

Asking why they made it so big is like asking why they made the FR-S so small.

:p