2013 Dodge Viper is back

Isamu · 01-31-2012, 06:35 AM

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Dude, it's a Viper thread, it was meant to be wrecked

in that case.... I am working on a viper engine swap into my miata door 300zx

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PS. Read her caption, it's an M82A1. There is no difference of which I am aware.

It was pretty light and less recoil then the civilian models I have fired. but then again it was in Africa, with some Marines.. and they have lots of cool shit

Pharmacist · 01-31-2012, 09:49 AM

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2010 New Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR Special Edition 7:12.13
Okay, your turn now.

Radical SR8LM for sale

What's your point? I never denied you can go buy an ACR. The point is that anyone can go get a race car and put on it the few basic necessities to appease the government and be able to put license plates on it. That doesn't make it a "road car". A road car has to be able to clear a speed bump. A road car has to be able to travel through a few potholes. And a road car has to be able to be driven on a rainy day without totally flying off the road and crashing into a ditch. The Viper ACR doesn't fit these criteria. Neither does the Radical either, or even the Gumpert. they are more like street-legal track cars, not road cars. So to compare them to proper road cars like a 911 turbo, gtr, or corvette zr1 is a bit ridiculous.

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2012, 10:00 AM

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Radical SR8LM for sale

What's your point? I never denied you can go buy an ACR. The point is that anyone can go get a race car and put on it the few basic necessities to appease the government and be able to put license plates on it. That doesn't make it a "road car". A road car has to be able to clear a speed bump. A road car has to be able to travel through a few potholes. And a road car has to be able to be driven on a rainy day without totally flying off the road and crashing into a ditch. The Viper ACR doesn't fit these criteria. Neither does the Radical either, or even the Gumpert. they are more like street-legal track cars, not road cars. So to compare them to proper road cars like a 911 turbo, gtr, or corvette zr1 is a bit ridiculous.

Why can't you drive an ACR in the rain without crashing into a ditch?

Though I do agree that it isn't much of a "road" car in the traditional sense.

b1adesofcha0s · 01-31-2012, 10:30 AM

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Why can't you drive an ACR in the rain without crashing into a ditch?

Though I do agree that it isn't much of a "road" car in the traditional sense.

Don't end up in a roadside ditch, get DirecTV

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2012, 10:32 AM

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Don't end up in a roadside ditch, get DirecTV

I was just thinking that.

b1adesofcha0s · 01-31-2012, 10:42 AM

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I was just thinking that.

I love those commercials. Hoping to see a new one for the Super Bowl.

Pharmacist · 01-31-2012, 11:07 AM

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Why can't you drive an ACR in the rain without crashing into a ditch?

Because it has barely street legal race tires with very minimal tread.

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2012, 11:07 AM

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Because it has barely street legal race tires with very minimal tread.

That doesn't mean it's going to fly off the road into a ditch in the rain.

theDreamer · 01-31-2012, 11:08 AM

The ACR can be driven in the rain very easily, just don't suck at driving.
Was following this guy, started to pour a few minutes later and he had zero issues in the rain.

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2012, 11:10 AM

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The ACR can be driven in the rain very easily, just don't suck at driving.
Was following this guy, started to pour a few minutes later and he had zero issues in the rain.

They are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, right? Plenty of successful rain driven stories with those tires. Just be careful.

theDreamer · 01-31-2012, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

They are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, right? Plenty of successful rain driven stories with those tires. Just be careful.

I believe so, but with the way this car was setup (stickers/sponsors, massive brake dust on the sides, etc) I imagine he might have been running a different set of tires.
I also have driven with a green ACR that was 100% bone stock and the guy had no problems in the rain that day. Though he better not since he tracks 2 ACR and a supercharged Viper.

HKYStormFront · 01-31-2012, 11:29 AM

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They are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires, right? Plenty of successful rain driven stories with those tires. Just be careful.

unless you are talking about certain members on this forum

Pharmacist · 01-31-2012, 11:29 AM

any car can be driven in the rain if one is cautious enough. heck, i drove my z back home from a track day in the rain on practically slick rear tires after i had burnt off all the tread on the track. with extreme caution, i made it home in one piece without any drama. of course that meant i was the slowest guy on the highway, going 20km/h below the speed limit while everyone else was 10-20 km/h above that limit. that still doesn't make it a safe or smart thing to do, and definitely not on a daily basis.

I have no doubt you can drive an ACR in the rain safely, but you have to give it 100% of your attention. You can't relax and take it for granted the car will stick and just go ahead and power your way out of a turn or pass someone on the highway. I don't even think it has traction control. That's not really what you want in a "road car".

Edit: Just found a disclaimer on Michelin's website: Due to the reduced original tread depths and technical characteristics of these tyres, we advise drivers to take care and reduce speeds as necessary in wet conditions, especially in deep standing water or heavy rain. This applies to track and road use.

Pharmacist · 01-31-2012, 11:30 AM

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unless you are talking about certain members on this forum

Yeah I don't think any viper ever came with VDC. LOL!

m4a1mustang · 01-31-2012, 11:35 AM

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any car can be driven in the rain if one is cautious enough. heck, i drove my z back home from a track day in the rain on practically slick rear tires after i had burnt off all the tread on the track. with extreme caution, i made it home in one piece without any drama. of course that meant i was the slowest guy on the highway, going 20km/h below the speed limit while everyone else was 10-20 km/h above that limit. that still doesn't make it a safe or smart thing to do, and definitely not on a daily basis.

I have no doubt you can drive an ACR in the rain safely, but you have to give it 100% of your attention. You can't relax and take it for granted the car will stick and just go ahead and power your way out of a turn or pass someone on the highway. I don't even think it has traction control. That's not really what you want in a "road car".

I had roughly no tread on my PZeros before I took them off and generally had no problem with the at or above the speed limit in the rain.

Also, I prefer to give the car 100% of my attention 100% of the time that I am driving. Generally a good idea.

Traction control... I don't need no stinkin' traction control!

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Pharmacist A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 1,249 Drives: 09 370z Sport 6MT Rep Power: 18	any car can be driven in the rain if one is cautious enough. heck, i drove my z back home from a track day in the rain on practically slick rear tires after i had burnt off all the tread on the track. with extreme caution, i made it home in one piece without any drama. of course that meant i was the slowest guy on the highway, going 20km/h below the speed limit while everyone else was 10-20 km/h above that limit. that still doesn't make it a safe or smart thing to do, and definitely not on a daily basis. I have no doubt you can drive an ACR in the rain safely, but you have to give it 100% of your attention. You can't relax and take it for granted the car will stick and just go ahead and power your way out of a turn or pass someone on the highway. I don't even think it has traction control. That's not really what you want in a "road car". Edit: Just found a disclaimer on Michelin's website: Due to the reduced original tread depths and technical characteristics of these tyres, we advise drivers to take care and reduce speeds as necessary in wet conditions, especially in deep standing water or heavy rain. This applies to track and road use. __________________ 2009 370z Sport Touring/Nismo shift Knob/Z1 motorsports 34 row oil cooler Last edited by Pharmacist; 01-31-2012 at 11:36 AM.

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