Thinking of trading the Z for a GT-R

HKYStormFront · 01-23-2012, 06:01 PM

there's either something MAJORLY wrong with that car^ or it's a complete scam. i have never seen a GTR below $60k no matter the mileage. no way that's for real

xgrudgex · 01-23-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by murphman

Sicne used is the route you are taking I actually was on cars.com and looked up used GTR's the other day just to see where they are at now days. Saw a white 09 with 20k miles for 49k.

2009 Nissan GT-R Premium, $49,300 - Cars.com

here you go, sounds like a good price to me and i bet you could knock a little off and get free delivery of the vehicle to your city

Thanks for the link!

Thats about the same ive seen in my area, but I am going to give it about 6 months to settle in and really make my decision. I dont want to make a wrong choice and they arent going anywhere.

Also I want to wait until my baby is born... not really my choice but that was the deal the old lady gave me

MC · 01-23-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by vividracing

"Launching" the GTR refers to engaging launch control, and on earlier models it's problematic. Head over the NAGTROC and read up. Great group of folks over there for the most part.

yeah i can help you out with any specific questions you might have

xgrudgex · 01-23-2012, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

there's either something MAJORLY wrong with that car^ or it's a complete scam. i have never seen a GTR below $60k no matter the mileage. no way that's for real

Ive seen one for that price but higher mileage, as for my tartget price/mileage for what I have seen so far on average is around about 60K and 20K mileage...

xgrudgex · 01-23-2012, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MC

yeah i can help you out with any specific questions you might have

What does problematic mean?

Only while launch control is enguaged or....?

MC · 01-23-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by xgrudgex

What does problematic mean?

Only while launch control is enguaged or....?

from our FAQ its a good read for those considering buying a GTR new or Used

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4B. Tell me about Launch Control.
The first USMY2009 GT-Rs originally shipped with a launch control system popularly referred to as LC1. It was enabled by putting the car's transmission/suspension/VDC in manual+race/race/off modes. From there, holding the brake would allow you to rev the car to 4,500rpm with the accelerator pedal at the wide open throttle position. The instant you lift off the brake, the computer will drop the clutches and the car will launch forward. This yields 0-60 times of 3.3-3.6 seconds depending on the surface. It's an extremely aggressive launch and is very hard on the transmission internals. It's use is not warrantied by Nissan.

Starting with the USMY2010 GT-R, Nissan offered a new Launch Control, "LC2". LC2 is easier on its gears than LC1. At launch, up to 3000rpms are used as opposed to the 4500rpms seen in LC1. A customer satisfaction program was offered that allowed 2009 owners to upgrade to this new transmission software, aswell as mandated that all unsold 2009 inventory be upgraded be dealers. In its engagement, the transmission computer will slip the clutches as opposed to suddenly engaging them. LC2 is mode independent and is otherwise engaged via the same two step method. Using this technique, the GT-R's launch is somewhat more tame than LC1 but still more aggressive than flooring the gas pedal from a stop. Turning VDC OFF does not seem to effect the initial launch. Note that LC2 is widely viewed as being inconsistent- the RPMs given may vary. Also, LC2 equipped GT-Rs can be launched from higher RPM levels by using a pump method. This involves letting the RPMs drop down after reaching near 3K rpm then immediately slamming the accelerator back to the floor while the brake is still depressed. The results of this are not consistent but will yield more launch RPMs. In performance terms, LC2 is seen as being at least a tenth or two slower than LC1 although some initial tests found it's performance to be similar. Use of LC2 is warrantied by Nissan so long as VDC is ON. The GR6 appears to handle LC2 well- there have been no known failures from launching using it, despite some cars having much more than 200 launches on them .

For the USMY2011 GT-R, Nissan quietly revised the launch control system and created a revised system we refer to as "LC3" . LC3 can only be engaged with the GT-R in Manual+R/R/R but allows 3,300rpms quickly, reliably, and consistently. The launch from LC3 is reportedly better than that with LC2.

With it's platform revision for the USMY2012 GT-R, Nissan publicly announced a new, dedicated, Launch Control. This system called "R Mode Start" (what we term as LC4), is engaged by having the GT-R in Manual+R transmission and VDC settings . It enables a 4,000rpm launch that is reliable and consistent. It is more aggressive than any of the prior Launch Controls except LC1 and is as reliable as LC1. It can be used up to four times in a row before the GT-R must be driven for over a mile for the computer to allow additional launches. On an unmodified GT-R, it is widely viewed as the fastest Launch Control system to date. With the addition of 50 more horsepower, DBA-R35 GT-Rs can achieve 0-60mph times in under 3.0 seconds(2.88 official time) At a drag strip, 1.6 60' times are common. It is fully warrantied by Nissan.

*Note that with all launch control systems, certain requirements must be met including minimum and maximum transmission temperatures.

Brazilbro · 01-23-2012, 09:56 PM

I'm guessing that LC4 can't be flashed into a 09-11 GTR?

djpathfinder · 01-23-2012, 10:12 PM

Is there a lot of improvement seen if you were to Cobb pro-tune a stock '12 GT-R?

MC · 01-23-2012, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazilbro

I'm guessing that LC4 can't be flashed into a 09-11 GTR?

nope

there is a Cobb beta version that mimicks it but it isnt the offiical nissan program

MC · 01-23-2012, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by djpathfinder

Is there a lot of improvement seen if you were to Cobb pro-tune a stock '12 GT-R?

yeah it responds very well to just a tune and midpipe... you can knock about 3 tenths off the 1/4 mile and run 10.7's or better

xgrudgex · 01-24-2012, 11:13 AM

Well after all of the negative feed back I think I am just going to wait until a later model 12 becomes affordable so for now its go time on the Z

Thanks everyone for the feedback, comments and info! Much appreciated.

djpathfinder · 01-24-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xgrudgex

Well after all of the negative feed back I think I am just going to wait until a later model 12 becomes affordable so for now its go time on the Z

Thanks everyone for the feedback, comments and info! Much appreciated.

"negative feedback"???

Dark Sarcasm · 01-24-2012, 07:04 PM

If you dont like the GTR it is probably easy to trade it in and get another Z.

xgrudgex · 01-24-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by djpathfinder

"negative feedback"???

Sorry I should be more specific, I recieved supportive feed back from the members on here, other forums, and a couple techs I know that work for Nissan.

It was supportive but all in all there are a lot of negatives that outweigh the kick a$% factor of the GT-R.

djpathfinder · 01-24-2012, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xgrudgex

Sorry I should be more specific, I recieved supportive feed back from the members on here, other forums, and a couple techs I know that work for Nissan.

It was supportive but all in all there are a lot of negatives that outweigh the kick a$% factor of the GT-R.

What negatives are you referring to that made you change your mind?

01-23-2012, 06:01 PM	#16 (permalink)
HKYStormFront A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Greer, SC Posts: 14,954 Drives: 06 Frontier SE 6spd Rep Power: 52	there's either something MAJORLY wrong with that car^ or it's a complete scam. i have never seen a GTR below $60k no matter the mileage. no way that's for real __________________ Patrick // 06 Frontier 6spd Nismosis // Mods: Uprev Tuned @ Z1 Motorsports: 257whp & 292 ft lbs 09 Pontiac G8 GXP // M6 // Sunroof // Tint... For now

01-23-2012, 09:56 PM	#22 (permalink)
Brazilbro A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 1,131 Drives: Juke/240Z Rep Power: 848	I'm guessing that LC4 can't be flashed into a 09-11 GTR? __________________ Juke AWD/240Z SR20 08 Evo 10(Stage 2) SOLD Fastest Sport 6spd 370Z 11.8 @126.5SOLD

01-23-2012, 10:12 PM	#23 (permalink)
djpathfinder A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 12,910 Drives: 2012 GT-R BE Rep Power: 733	Is there a lot of improvement seen if you were to Cobb pro-tune a stock '12 GT-R? __________________ 2012 GT-R Black Edition Jet Black 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary // SOLD

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Dark Sarcasm Track Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Katy Texas Posts: 552 Drives: 11 CTS-V Coupe Rep Power: 16	If you dont like the GTR it is probably easy to trade it in and get another Z. __________________ wax

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01-24-2012, 11:13 AM	#26 (permalink)
xgrudgex Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: California Age: 38 Posts: 111 Drives: My neighbors crazy Rep Power: 15	Well after all of the negative feed back I think I am just going to wait until a later model 12 becomes affordable so for now its go time on the Z Thanks everyone for the feedback, comments and info! Much appreciated.