2012 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 vs 2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca

ImportConvert · 02-03-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

If customers felt like they were being shafted they wouldn't buy the car. Trollololol.

They are just willing to give up a bit to get a bit. The mustang is still the best car in its segment, the BOSS has just stuck its nose into the next segment, and the Camaro stooped a little to meet it.

The real comparo will be the GT500 vs. ZL1.

m4a1mustang · 02-03-2012, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

No, I don't think the Camaro's extra >100hp had anything to do with it entering the corners, carrying more velocity through them, and being more composed over rougher sections of the track.

But if the GT500 laps faster than the ZL1 you're going to blame the extra HP, right?

ImportConvert · 02-03-2012, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

But if the GT500 laps faster than the ZL1 you're going to blame the extra HP, right?

No, I'm going to be very surprised.

On a long and fast track like VIR the GT500 with it's 100hp more and near identical weight MIGHT make up for the ZL1's superior handling, but we will have to look at the numbers. However, that remains to be seen. The point here is that the Camaro killed the BOSS in the corners. IT wasn't like the BOSS was holding its own until the straightaways. Look at cornering velocity upon entry/exit.

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On the road course, the Camaro was 2.4 seconds a lap quicker and almost 10 mph faster at the end of the back straight. Roughly 4 of those mph were courtesy of higher cornering speed carried out of the previous turn. Even without the big power difference on the straight, the Camaro would have been constantly making ground on the Mustang with mid-corner speed.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1lKwu8yuA

*I'm tired and going to bed now. I'm getting far too excited over this, lol

Red__Zed · 02-03-2012, 11:34 AM

You almost have to wonder if the reason was the electronic nannies. You know, since randy struggles with rwd cars, he was probably jus faster in the one that drives for him.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

. The main thing people cite is that Randy Pobst article where he complains about it. Well, he's used to driving an AWD Volvo. I never saw any of the instructors or students have any issues with "unpredictable fishtailing" at Spring Mountain. Pobst (*sp) needs to stick with his Volvo.

Red__Zed · 02-03-2012, 11:46 AM

For the unawares, that was sarcasm.

ImportConvert · 02-04-2012, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

For the unawares, that was sarcasm.

In all honesty, mrc is very effective. Its why ferrari is paying gm.

ihatepotholes · 02-04-2012, 01:42 AM

ZL1 is a nice car for what it is. it is modern, well equipped, tons of torque and power. Chevy is doing great jobs with their performance cars; vettes, camaro and cadi V cars. but damn! 580hp it traps less than 120? that is kinda sad. 4000lb is kinda porky and it isn't a engineering marvel like the GTR. it won't be able to hang with real sports cars on those road courses or highways.

too bad the boss lost. i got something coming my way that will wipe the floor with the ZL1

ImportConvert · 02-04-2012, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

ZL1 is a nice car for what it is. it is modern, well equipped, tons of torque and power. Chevy is doing great jobs with their performance cars; vettes, camaro and cadi V cars. but damn! 580hp it traps less than 120? that is kinda sad. 4000lb is kinda porky and it isn't a engineering marvel like the GTR. it won't be able to hang with real sports cars on those road courses or highways.

too bad the boss lost. i got something coming my way that will wipe the floor with the ZL1

The zl1 isn't Chevy's sports car. It is a pony car still, or maybe muscle car if you aren't too strict on the definition. As long as it beats the gt500, that's what counts.

ihatepotholes · 02-04-2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

The zl1 isn't Chevy's sports car. It is a pony car still, or maybe muscle car if you aren't too strict on the definition. As long as it beats the gt500, that's what counts.

that is true, ZL1 is a pony car. it might very well beat the upcoming GT500. there is no deny in Corvette's performance. however, the driving experience leave a lot to be desired. i spent fair amount of time behind the wheel of my friend's Z06, the steering felt nothing like a sports car. the car is poorly put together, it looks so cheap for something that cost 70-80k... i'll be shopping for a sports car in the summer, i have no desire to drive or own a chevy sports car.

on another note, i can't wait to get the new weapon and DD my boss

ImportConvert · 02-04-2012, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ihatepotholes

that is true, ZL1 is a pony car. it might very well beat the upcoming GT500. there is no deny in Corvette's performance. however, the driving experience leave a lot to be desired. i spent fair amount of time behind the wheel of my friend's Z06, the steering felt nothing like a sports car. the car is poorly put together, it looks so cheap for something that cost 70-80k... i'll be shopping for a sports car in the summer, i have no desire to drive or own a chevy sports car.

on another note, i can't wait to get the new weapon and DD my boss

The interior is my only qc complaint. In 2008 steering got better. It's no BMW, but its not bad. The exterior is put togather as well as possible given the material used and the coefficients of expansion, etc in varying temps.

The car is definitely more about performance than Swiss watch precision, though.

ihatepotholes · 02-04-2012, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

The interior is my only qc complaint. In 2008 steering got better. It's no BMW, but its not bad. The exterior is put togather as well as possible given the material used and the coefficients of expansion, etc in varying temps.

The car is definitely more about performance than Swiss watch precision, though.

I completely agree with you there. Z06 can definitely get you the most bang for your buck if you were strictly looking for performance numbers.

vo2max99 · 02-05-2012, 01:25 AM

For one the Boss LS is over 8K less and gets FAR better mpg. The ZL1 is rated 19mpg HWY which is terrible to say the least compared to the 302's 26mpg HWY rating. This makes perfect sense when you consider the curb weights.

Second, the GT500 is the direct competitor to the ZL1 NOT the Boss 302 so the comparison really just show how awesome the Boss 302 is despite costing a lot less and being down 140hp.

Regardless the new GT500 is going to tear the ZL1 apart. Personally, I would rather spend ~ 44K on a none LS Boss 302 with Recaros/ upgraded LSD. I think it's probably the best compromise between daily driver comfort, performance, economy and so on.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-05-2012, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

For one the Boss LS is over 8K less and gets FAR better mpg. The ZR1 is rated 19mpg HWY which is terrible to say the least compared to the 302's 26mpg HWY rating. This makes perfect sense when you consider the curb weights.

Second, the GT500 is the direct competitor to the ZR1 NOT the Boss 302 so the comparison really just show how awesome the Boss 302 is despite costing a lot less and being down 140hp.

Regardless the new GT500 is going to tear the ZR1 apart. Personally, I would rather spend ~ 44K on a none LS Boss 302 with Recaros/ upgraded LSD. I think it's probably the best compromise between daily driver comfort, performance, economy and so on.

I think you meant ZL1 camaro........the ZR1 is a corvette

vo2max99 · 02-07-2012, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think you meant ZL1 camaro........the ZR1 is a corvette

Yeah obviously we're talking about the camaro typo is a typo. Was just going to correct it

ZPirate · 02-08-2012, 12:39 PM

I can't wait to see a comparison between the ZL1 and the new GT500. That should be a good one and a better comparison of similar Pony cars.

02-04-2012, 01:42 AM	#22 (permalink)
ihatepotholes Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: nj Posts: 129 Drives: 2012 Boss 302 Rep Power: 15	ZL1 is a nice car for what it is. it is modern, well equipped, tons of torque and power. Chevy is doing great jobs with their performance cars; vettes, camaro and cadi V cars. but damn! 580hp it traps less than 120? that is kinda sad. 4000lb is kinda porky and it isn't a engineering marvel like the GTR. it won't be able to hang with real sports cars on those road courses or highways. too bad the boss lost. i got something coming my way that will wipe the floor with the ZL1 __________________ 2012 competition orange Boss 302 2011 370z sports package (sold) 2003.5 M3 (sold) 2006 Evo ix se (sold) 2006 350z (sold) 2006 RSX a-spec (sold)

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vo2max99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 120 Drives: 08MS3-BM-6MT Rep Power: 13	For one the Boss LS is over 8K less and gets FAR better mpg. The ZL1 is rated 19mpg HWY which is terrible to say the least compared to the 302's 26mpg HWY rating. This makes perfect sense when you consider the curb weights. Second, the GT500 is the direct competitor to the ZL1 NOT the Boss 302 so the comparison really just show how awesome the Boss 302 is despite costing a lot less and being down 140hp. Regardless the new GT500 is going to tear the ZL1 apart. Personally, I would rather spend ~ 44K on a none LS Boss 302 with Recaros/ upgraded LSD. I think it's probably the best compromise between daily driver comfort, performance, economy and so on. Last edited by vo2max99; 02-07-2012 at 09:33 AM.

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