GT-R loses again.
 

To a corvette :)

Car & Driver Lightning Lap 2012 - The Chicago Garage

What year ZR1 was used? And wat year GTR?

All models are 2012 that I am aware. I know for fact the GT-R was a '12.

Yeah one of the first comments on there said the GTR wasn't 13' darn i was hoping to see some results with that. :icon17:

Were does it say it was a 2012 GTR?

Right here:

http://i.imgur.com/B7a9f.jpg

street legal cut race slicks > run flats

good time redneck man from kentucky..good time

the 12 was 2 and a half secs faster than the previous car on the lighting lap with 50 more HP and a major chassis/suspension work over.... the 13 has 15hp on the 12 with tweaked spring rates... the time should be about the same within a few tenths

Even with regular PS2's the ZR1 bested the GTR's time by over a second.

still GTR > ZR1

last time I checked the GTR is still the better value

yeah 1.4 secs....that would be the 600 lbs in weight difference.. i didnt add in the 100 hp because the GTR destroys cars with more but combined with weight its something you cant cheat

ZR1 and especially ACR are to a degree purpose built.... and unique from really most other cars in their category.. they are raw power and lack the refinement of
porsche turbo ferrari and the tech of the GTR

you put any moderate driver in the GTR and then the ZR1 and they wouldnt get close to its #'s ... the ZR1 when driven 10/10ths the math and physics are going to win out

by the way.....the Z06/Z07 with the PS2's thats 600 lbs lighter aswell was 3 tenths slower in last years lighting lap

this shouldnt even be an arguemnt as alot of you miss the point when you see a result like this featuring the GTR and come in and gleefully report its defeat...

the chief engineer is unlike anyone else in the auto industry.. he is so uncompromising in philosophy that he maintains the car must remain balanced for everyday driving aswell as the track.. he honestly values emissions fuel efficency , wet or around town comfort as much as he does a lap time.. because of this he wont release the times of the special editions like the now discontinued specV and the new track pack as he only wants to show the performance of the regular model that the majority of consumers buy

im not taking away from the ZR1 at all it did what it did.... the mosler beat the GTR too while we are at

:tup: here here

Where is the M3????

Not really surprising, especially on VIR

Reading the article, they give the 2010 E92 M3's lap time. 3:05.4

Ugh that Cayman R looks like stupid fun. :drool:

VIR full maybe. But Grand West actually has a good balance.

MC is right, though. Stock for stock the ZR1 should win out with equal talent behind the wheel. It's a track beast.

And you'll pay stupid price for that stupid fun. For the price of a new cayman r you can get a slightly used gtr or corvette z06 that will blow the cayman's doors off.

I just meant to drive. Not buy. :icon17:

plus one to everything said here^ :iagree:

but that's all it is. cars like zr1 and viper acr may be very fast on the track, almost race car-like performance, but they don't work well on the road. Not to mention all the cheap build quality and corner cutting. These cars are excellent as the occasional weekend toy or trackday car, but for a refined, comfortable, daily driver you can drive all year round and run errands in, the 911 turbo and the gtr are hands down the better cars.

Grand west is still a super high speed course relative to most other courses. P/w plays a much more heavy-handed part when you are running such high speeds.


See gt vs m3 on willow or laguna, then watch the m3 spank it at vir due to the high speed straights.

True. Damn you shocks!

911 Turbo :drool:

What, you don't like it when the rear tires want to fly away?

also troof^ :iagree: while the ZR1 is still fairly streetable compared to the ACR viper, it would be a handful in anything other than perfect conditions i would wager...:ugh2:

Handful... no. Just not as practical or comfy as the GT-R.

well, that much power and without a finely tuned live axle to put it down through the curves, it's (the ZR1) got no chance right? :stirthepot:

You know it bro. :hello::bowrofl:

What do you mean it won't shift gears for me? How will I sip my latte?


*storms out of dealership*

:roflpuke2::roflpuke2: but true :rolleyes:

"WTF do you mean i can't get it in an automatic??!!" :eek:

I feel that way when I drive to/from work. Hitherto I have been unsuccessful in operating my clutch pedal or moving the gear lever with my Jedi mind powers. :(

I read a blurb today that only 1 in 20 cars these days is available with a manual transmission.

I am the 5%!

you must unlearn what you have learned...

yup it's true, the best anti-theft device out right now is a clutch pedal! :bowrofl:

GT-R to Star Wars in only 3 pages. That's one high-tech machine I tell ya.

Ain't that the truth. :bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

trollol

Ever own or drive one?

I can flat-out tell you that you are wrong there.

Ride/work well on the road: The ZR1 drives VERY smoothly. It is softer riding than a NISMO Z by far on Touring setting, and I dare say a bit softer than the 370Z Sport. Very compliant and assured. Ferrari borrowed GM's suspension, not the other way around.

Cheap build quality/corner cutting: The only place quality was cut is the interior. Then, it is materials, not build quality. The corvette is very well built. I spent nearly 20 hours watching them build mine. They did a fantastic job. Further, the corvette had a PPH of only 62 at the time of my purchase. This is superior to what Porsche published in 2010. Their 2011 data I am unaware of.

Errands: The corvette has massive grocery-space in the back. You can all but haul lumber in it. Plenty of space to run errands. If you want a year-round car, the GTR fails miserably. It's too low to the ground for snow. So is the ZR1, 911, or any other sports car. The only thing better about the GTR and 911 is the interior, which I think is the only place the corvette messed up.

well i do still love to row my own gears but dual clutch transmissions are the way of the future (DeCaprio, Aviator). they are the best of both worlds. once they become cost effective as an option, manual transmissions will go the way of the dodo...