GT-R loses again.

Red__Zed · 01-05-2012, 06:49 AM

Not really surprising, especially on VIR

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2012, 08:24 AM

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Not really surprising, especially on VIR

VIR full maybe. But Grand West actually has a good balance.

MC is right, though. Stock for stock the ZR1 should win out with equal talent behind the wheel. It's a track beast.

Pharmacist · 01-05-2012, 09:03 AM

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Stock for stock the ZR1 should win out with equal talent behind the wheel. It's a track beast.

but that's all it is. cars like zr1 and viper acr may be very fast on the track, almost race car-like performance, but they don't work well on the road. Not to mention all the cheap build quality and corner cutting. These cars are excellent as the occasional weekend toy or trackday car, but for a refined, comfortable, daily driver you can drive all year round and run errands in, the 911 turbo and the gtr are hands down the better cars.

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2012, 09:07 AM

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but that's all it is. cars like zr1 and viper acr may be very fast on the track, almost race car-like performance, but they don't work well on the road. Not to mention all the cheap build quality and corner cutting. These cars are excellent as the occasional weekend toy or trackday car, but for a refined, comfortable, daily driver you can drive all year round and run errands in, the 911 turbo and the gtr are hands down the better cars.

911 Turbo

HKYStormFront · 01-05-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

but that's all it is. cars like zr1 and viper acr may be very fast on the track, almost race car-like performance, but they don't work well on the road. Not to mention all the cheap build quality and corner cutting. These cars are excellent as the occasional weekend toy or trackday car, but for a refined, comfortable, daily driver you can drive all year round and run errands in, the 911 turbo and the gtr are hands down the better cars.

also troof^

while the ZR1 is still fairly streetable compared to the ACR viper, it would be a handful in anything other than perfect conditions i would wager...

ImportConvert · 01-05-2012, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

but that's all it is. cars like zr1 and viper acr may be very fast on the track, almost race car-like performance, but they don't work well on the road. Not to mention all the cheap build quality and corner cutting. These cars are excellent as the occasional weekend toy or trackday car, but for a refined, comfortable, daily driver you can drive all year round and run errands in, the 911 turbo and the gtr are hands down the better cars.

Ever own or drive one?

I can flat-out tell you that you are wrong there.

Ride/work well on the road: The ZR1 drives VERY smoothly. It is softer riding than a NISMO Z by far on Touring setting, and I dare say a bit softer than the 370Z Sport. Very compliant and assured. Ferrari borrowed GM's suspension, not the other way around.

Cheap build quality/corner cutting: The only place quality was cut is the interior. Then, it is materials, not build quality. The corvette is very well built. I spent nearly 20 hours watching them build mine. They did a fantastic job. Further, the corvette had a PPH of only 62 at the time of my purchase. This is superior to what Porsche published in 2010. Their 2011 data I am unaware of.

Errands: The corvette has massive grocery-space in the back. You can all but haul lumber in it. Plenty of space to run errands. If you want a year-round car, the GTR fails miserably. It's too low to the ground for snow. So is the ZR1, 911, or any other sports car. The only thing better about the GTR and 911 is the interior, which I think is the only place the corvette messed up.

HKYStormFront · 01-05-2012, 09:23 AM

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Errands: The corvette has massive grocery-space in the back. You can all but haul lumber in it. Plenty of space to run errands. If you want a year-round car, the GTR fails miserably. It's too low to the ground for snow. So is the ZR1, 911, or any other sports car. The only thing better about the GTR and 911 is the interior, which I think is the only place the corvette messed up.

i will give you the vette has a decent trunk area, especially compared to a 911 but the 911 and the GTR perform pretty well in the snow/inclement weather with their AWD and if i'm not mistaken, the GTR has the most ground clearance of any car in it's class. if it was snowing out and i had to go somewhere, that'd be the car i wanted to be in

ImportConvert · 01-05-2012, 09:26 AM

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i will give you the vette has a decent trunk area, especially compared to a 911 but the 911 and the GTR perform pretty well in the snow/inclement weather with their AWD and if i'm not mistaken, the GTR has the most ground clearance of any car in it's class. if it was snowing out and i had to go somewhere, that'd be the car i wanted to be in

Yes, Nissan even tried to say the GT-R had a "mud/snow" mode (also known as Launch Control)...

However, if you are daily driving one of these cars in the snow, why not drive the ZR1? You're obviously rich as hell and just out to see what you can destroy, so why not do it in tail-wagging style?

Red__Zed · 01-05-2012, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

VIR full maybe. But Grand West actually has a good balance.

MC is right, though. Stock for stock the ZR1 should win out with equal talent behind the wheel. It's a track beast.

Grand west is still a super high speed course relative to most other courses. P/w plays a much more heavy-handed part when you are running such high speeds.

See gt vs m3 on willow or laguna, then watch the m3 spank it at vir due to the high speed straights.

m4a1mustang · 01-05-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Grand west is still a super high speed course relative to most other courses. P/w plays a much more heavy-handed part when you are running such high speeds.

See gt vs m3 on willow or laguna, then watch the m3 spank it at vir due to the high speed straights.

True. Damn you shocks!

Red__Zed · 01-05-2012, 09:08 AM

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True. Damn you shocks!

What, you don't like it when the rear tires want to fly away?

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