Subaru BRZ?
 

Anyone see the new 2012-2013 Subaru BRZ in the Tokyo auto show? New boxer engine producing 200 bhp, 150 lb-ft of torque, <2800 total weight and most surprisingly RWD. Similar to the toyota/scion's 86. Doesn't look bad but IMHO, the 370Z looks to be superior in alot of aspects. The BRZ also costs a pretty penny ($34K sticker price) :eek: I wonder how much the Sti version will cost?

Here's a link to the car and driver review @ tokyo auto show

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/201...auto-show-news

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...6-concept.html

http://www.the370z.com/other-vehicle...video-new.html

The BRZ and Scion FR-S are the same car, just rebadged and cosmetically altered in the front and rear. As you already know, it is a joint venture between Subaru and Toyota. It will be sold as a Toyota (instead of Scion) in Europe and Asia. The FT-86 was the concept car and that still has the best looking front and rear end. But between the BRZ and FR-S production versions, I think the FR-S has a more aggressive look.

Light weight and decent in power, I'm curious to see what the STi version will have under the hood. I think I would still opt for my Z (or WRX STi) any day over it.

Yeah the FT-86/BRZ/FR-S looks siiiick but not enough to draw me away from the Z. maybe i'll go test drive one in the spring..

I don't know where your eyes rolled when you read price but price on that article is said projected sticker to start at $28,000:

Imho, 200hp/150lbs of torque isn't screaming, dish out 28k to me. I know what they are selling is RWD and possibly the lightest-most balanced chassis in the price range. But 240hp and similar torque would have sold this car.
I don't see this selling well without a 320hp FI version.

it can be made into a fun car with about $2k-$3k worth of bolt-ons and a good tune.

250whp shouldnt be hard to achieve with this car and a few bolt-ons.

Hate everything about it.

I would like it more if they were to offer an AWD version...I'm looking to get a smaller sized AWD car for the winter and was crossing my fingers that this might have an awd option, but it looks like i'll be disappointed. I do like how it looks and it is a little pricey but maybe its still really fun to drive.

ARe you kidding me. This is a 2.0 non-turbo motor. No way will you be able to make 250whp with simple bolt on's.

turbo for this car is a bolt on really, it's a subby 2.0. the parts are everywhere. I've also read that there may be a "just short of 300hp" version from subby.

The price is supposed to start around $24k for the base model.

Lol sorry, i thought it was boosted

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From what i've seen the Toy will NOT be FI, but Subby will do a Turbo version, it will be a step up model, but base will be NA.

Source? All talks from Subaru so far is pure N.A.

The only thing close to FI is Toyota considering to use supercharger for this engine, but that's it?

Hot Toyota GT 86 planned - Autocar.co.uk

subaru noob here... wouldn't it be too difficult to engine swap it with an STI, let's say from 2012, and call it a day if u want more HP for the platform... or is there info out there saying that this would be difficult...

Rofl, that's a little strong :roflpuke2: :bowrofl:

I can't find any now, it was a while ago, car and driver, or motor trend had something about it, but now it looks like everything is saying NA only. thats too bad.

That would be impossible without very extensive modifications if even possible after then. They are completely different beasts with one setup to accomodate for AWD and the other with a lower CG and less space. So not getting into anything more specific than that the height of the engine would be all wrong to fit in that engine bay. (then again u can fit a gt-r engine into a juke so what do i know)

Plus Subaru is developing the 2.0 in turbo form and it's scheduled for other platforms right now. Mnay think this will be added to the BRZ sometime after the car's initial offering. I'd certainly wait.

Found this...


Edmunds Inside Line:

New Subaru Turbos Coming in 2012

Just the Facts:

- In 2012, Subaru will introduce two turbocharged variants of its latest-generation direct-injection four-cylinder boxer engine.
- One of the new versions of the FB engine architecture will be a 300-horsepower STI variant.
- The Subaru BRZ sports car will likely receive the turbo boxer engine, though not at launch.

FRANKFURT, Germany — In 2012, Subaru will introduce two turbocharged variants of its latest-generation direct-injection four-cylinder boxer engine, including a 300-horsepower STI version.

The new FB engine architecture, first launched in the U.S. in normally aspirated guise in the 2011 Forester, will add boosted 1.6- and 2.0-liter variants next year.

Yet to be determined is whether the boosted version will find its way eventually into the new Subaru BRZ sport coupe. So far, Subaru is only talking about a normally aspirated version of the new 2.0-liter boxer engine for the BRZ, a variant of the FB architecture known as FA. The FA engine in the BRZ is understood to produce 200 hp and employ Toyota's D-4S direct- and port fuel-injection layout, though company officials would not confirm these widely held notions.

On the force-fed FB variants, the turbo is mounted beneath the engine, in contrast to the high-mount location typical of the turbo EJ-series engine still used in the U.S. The intercooler remains mounted directly above the engine.

In STI guise, the new 2.0-liter FB turbo is targeting the same 300-hp peak output as the existing engine, but will return 10 percent better fuel economy.

Inside Line says: Look for more details to emerge when the production version of the 2013 BRZ is formally unveiled in December at the Tokyo auto show.

I've read the articles but Subaru have been firm about not putting a turbo in while this will be the new basis for their next turbo engine. Ofc they may just be keeping everything under wraps until they're ready to unveil but thats their official position right now. They're stating their classic top mounted intercooler doesn't have enough space under the hood and their usual turbo placement is blocked up because the engine has been pushed back as far as possible. Still could be excuses.

My only complaint thus far is the high compression ratio. 12:1 CR means aftermarket turbo kits are going to be very limited. I was hoping that they would have factored this into building the car, but I guess not.

I can't wait to get behind the wheel of one.

there is already a confirmed supercharged version of this car testing.. so it looks like if they bring a higher end version to production... that might be the route instead of turbo

If that is true I wonder what the price will be. I mean with a base price of 24k and an assumed loaded price of 28k the supercharged version would probably be near 33-35k. With a price over 30k this car will need to have 300+ hp to be able to compete with the other cars in it's price range. As it is now at 24k there are other cars that are a better bang for the buck.

MAYBE 3k for the SC kit from TRD. $27K for the load model means 30k with FI.

There is not other car in that price range that offers that kind of power/weight ratio with the proper support for the power as well.

3k for the kit but you still have to pay for install if you want your warranty intact. Bumps the price up.

Honestly I think this car will do well for auto-x junkies, drifters, poor teens and 20 somethings, and the occasional adult who wants something cheap but still performance oriented without a care for actually how fast the car is. The sad fact is that most performance car buyers never take their car to the track and never race their. That being said it's hard for the casual driver to appreciate a car of 2600lbs that corners exceptionally well vs. a car that will put you back into your seat when you hit the gas. I mean test driving this car vs. a mustang/camaro/ even 370z and it won't stack up. Only a true enthusiast will be able to appreciate it's cornering on a brief test drive, where as any average joe can mash the accelerator and fell the joy of true power.

Personally with this car being sold at the same price as the WRX on the same lot I would take the WRX. Worlds faster, will put down similar numbers on a track due to it's AWD, and will respond to mods (both engine and suspension) better.

We all have our opinions and only time will tell how this car does but I know I won't be at all envious when I'm passing one on the street. I mean hell, the 370z is much heavier and will still put down similar if not better numbers in the corners.

I'd hope for a track model that was FI'd but stripped down. 24K base + about 5K for FI = 29K worth of fun!