2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 06:32 PM

So I'm looking over my new copy of Automobile magazine and I see they have an article on the new Porsche Carrera and Carrera S.

Carrera = 3.4L that puts out 350 hp / 288 ft lbs torque for $83,000

Say what?!

Why the hell wouldn't you...
1. Buy a GTR for that $$$ or...
2. Buy a Z, put about 10K into it and go faster around the track and look better?

WTF?

The Carrera S model puts out 400 hp but now we're dangerously close to 100k with a price tag of $97,000 and change. Arguably my Z is close to that power (depending on what dyno is used

) and I'm not even force inducted yet.

So you're telling me that some corporate exec boring douche really (that OBVIOUSLY has money) wants to drive that boring car?? With those measly specs??

What gives here? I mean even if the GTR isn't your cup of tea, there are more interesting cars in that price range with undoubtedly better specs as far as power goes.

PS: the interior is nice yes... but not $50,000 nicer than the Z touring. Really Porsche?

gpolak · 10-13-2011, 06:38 PM

While Porsche does overcharge for their cars because they can, you can't drive a spec sheet. I love driving my Z and have never had the pleasure of being behind the wheel of the Porsche so I can't compare, but doing a straight dollars to horsepower comparison is silly.

Ardent_Z · 10-13-2011, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gpolak

While Porsche does overcharge for their cars because they can, you can't drive a spec sheet. I love driving my Z and have never had the pleasure of being behind the wheel of the Porsche so I can't compare, but doing a straight dollars to horsepower comparison is silly.

This.

Mt Tam I am · 10-13-2011, 07:01 PM

$1800 tune ups. I just asked a guy yesterday about his 1995 911 (993).

The 4.1 0-60 time for the 2013 "S" is alright, gotta say.

Porsche delivers women. But then again $50,000 worth is questionable.

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 06:38 PM

KB, you'd be paying a premium for that luxury badge.

It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars.

I'd never pay that premium, but many do.

nmjaxx9 · 10-13-2011, 06:43 PM

Its a Porsche, just like Ralph Lauren or Ed Hardy, you buy it for name brand.

AllForTheCash · 10-13-2011, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadoquad

It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars.

Masa · 10-13-2011, 06:47 PM

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

Red__Zed · 10-13-2011, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masa

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

some of it is the badge, some of it is the extra refinement. you just find diminishing returns on your money as prices go up...

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masa

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

x1000

You buy a Porsche because you want a Porsche (and have the money).

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masa

Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads.

P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8...

Because then you are not comparing apples to apples. Let's face it, build refinement or not, the Carrera is much more comparable to a Z then say, a Camaro as far as "driving characteristics" go.

I'm not asking why someone likes a blonde compared to a brunette. I'm asking why the blond is charging so much for her services when the output is about the same as the brunettes.

nmjaxx9 · 10-13-2011, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Because then you are not comparing apples to apples. Let's face it, build refinement or not, the Carrera is much more comparable to a Z then say, a Camaro as far as "driving characteristics" go.

I'm not asking why someone likes a blonde compared to a brunette. I'm asking why the blond is charging so much for her services when the output is about the same as the brunettes.

Masa · 10-13-2011, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KillerBee370

I'm asking why the blond is charging so much for her services when the output is about the same as the brunettes.

I really don't want to start an internet fight since topics like this always lead to a lock.

My finally post in response to part of your comment is because they (Porsche) simply CAN. It's a "free" market and people with the means will buy what they want. It really is THAT simple I'm afraid.

In the end they are all great cars and as enthusiasts we should enjoy everything that is automotive related and stop with all the penis measuring that has been going on in this forum recently. Be happy with what you have and try not to get hung up on what the other person is driving.

nicknick · 10-20-2011, 09:01 PM

IMO.

1. You pay more because of the badge.
2. You pay more because of more expensive materials used sometimes.
3. You pay more because of the prestige associated with it.
4. You pay more because of the general public's perception of the brand.
5. You exponentially pay more as the performance factor goes up.
6. Porsche STING you for option costs.

What gets me though is that these cars are so expensive and people believe them to be well/over engineered, but in many cases this is not true. For example
Porsche had well publicsed problems with the rear/inner main seal on engines that could cost a ton of dollars to fix. BMW had problems with weak and cracking subframes on their 3 series cars and M3's. So why are "we" paying so much more money for cars like this then when problems like this crop up?

Do these expensive cars last longer? Not from what I have seen. Additionally why are service costs so pricey for these cars? you would think that the extra dosh you're handing over would have gone into R & D to produce an "easy" to service car.

i'm tired now so i'll stop and just read the rest of the posts.

Pharmacist · 10-22-2011, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nicknick

IMO.

Porsche had well publicsed problems with the rear/inner main seal on engines that could cost a ton of dollars to fix. BMW had problems with weak and cracking subframes on their 3 series cars and M3's. So why are "we" paying so much more money for cars like this then when problems like this crop up?

Damn, and people whine about the Z going into limp mode or having noisy rear wheel wells, stuck hatch, etc...

Quote:

Additionally why are service costs so pricey for these cars?

always wondered that myself. i highly doubt it's the parts. unless they use unicorn blood, their oils can't be that much more expensive than other cars. so i'm guessing they screw you on the labor charge.

10-13-2011, 06:32 PM	#1 (permalink)
KillerBee370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: So Cal baby! Age: 52 Posts: 5,964 Drives: with passion Rep Power: 322	2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm... So I'm looking over my new copy of Automobile magazine and I see they have an article on the new Porsche Carrera and Carrera S. Carrera = 3.4L that puts out 350 hp / 288 ft lbs torque for $83,000 Say what?! Why the hell wouldn't you... 1. Buy a GTR for that $$$ or... 2. Buy a Z, put about 10K into it and go faster around the track and look better? WTF? The Carrera S model puts out 400 hp but now we're dangerously close to 100k with a price tag of $97,000 and change. Arguably my Z is close to that power (depending on what dyno is used ) and I'm not even force inducted yet. So you're telling me that some corporate exec boring douche really (that OBVIOUSLY has money) wants to drive that boring car?? With those measly specs?? What gives here? I mean even if the GTR isn't your cup of tea, there are more interesting cars in that price range with undoubtedly better specs as far as power goes. PS: the interior is nice yes... but not $50,000 nicer than the Z touring. Really Porsche?

10-13-2011, 07:01 PM	#4 (permalink)
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10-13-2011, 06:47 PM	#8 (permalink)
Masa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 2,237 Drives: Family Cars Rep Power: 21	Different strokes for different folks. Asking why someone would buy X car vs Y car is like asking some guy why he likes brunettes over blondes or redheads. P.S. - comparing cars based on $ per hp they put out is horrible. Specs won't tell you how the driving dynamics are. If you want to make that argument, why would anyone want to pay 32k-40k for a 332hp V6 when they can get a 412hp V8... __________________ BMW 340i Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk

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10-13-2011, 06:38 PM	#2 (permalink)
gpolak Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 55 Drives: 2010 370Z T/SP 6MT Rep Power: 15	While Porsche does overcharge for their cars because they can, you can't drive a spec sheet. I love driving my Z and have never had the pleasure of being behind the wheel of the Porsche so I can't compare, but doing a straight dollars to horsepower comparison is silly.

10-13-2011, 06:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	KB, you'd be paying a premium for that luxury badge. It's not just a sporty car, it's a sporty car with prestige and the best materials and build quality. 911's are known as daily drivable sports cars. I'd never pay that premium, but many do.

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10-20-2011, 09:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
nicknick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 438 Drives: Mazda mx5 2007 6sp m Rep Power: 17	IMO. 1. You pay more because of the badge. 2. You pay more because of more expensive materials used sometimes. 3. You pay more because of the prestige associated with it. 4. You pay more because of the general public's perception of the brand. 5. You exponentially pay more as the performance factor goes up. 6. Porsche STING you for option costs. What gets me though is that these cars are so expensive and people believe them to be well/over engineered, but in many cases this is not true. For example Porsche had well publicsed problems with the rear/inner main seal on engines that could cost a ton of dollars to fix. BMW had problems with weak and cracking subframes on their 3 series cars and M3's. So why are "we" paying so much more money for cars like this then when problems like this crop up? Do these expensive cars last longer? Not from what I have seen. Additionally why are service costs so pricey for these cars? you would think that the extra dosh you're handing over would have gone into R & D to produce an "easy" to service car. i'm tired now so i'll stop and just read the rest of the posts.