2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

autopc25 · 10-18-2011, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I am not sure if it's been discussed in this thread or not, but the 2012 CS posted a 7 minute 40 second lap at the Nurburgring. That's pretty respectable.

I am lusting after one in red. With the options I want I get an MSRP of $115k. Not really sure I want to spend that on a car at the moment.

That '12 C2S at 7 min 40 sec lap is 13 seconds faster then the out going '11 997 C2S, about the same as the '11 GT3!

2012 Porsche 911 lops 13 seconds off predecessor's 'Ring time, quick as 997 GT3

Rooster89 · 10-18-2011, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I am lusting after one in red. With the options I want I get an MSRP of $115k. Not really sure I want to spend that on a car at the moment.

How do you get past Porsche's most evil of evils? Their options page! I try to build and i have trouble keeping below 125k. seriously you could get lost on their options list.

m4a1mustang · 10-18-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89

How do you get past Porsche's most evil of evils? Their options page! I try to build and i have trouble keeping below 125k. seriously you could get lost on their options list.

The options themselves aren't that plentiful, but god damnit are they expensive.

I start off with the $78k base (or whatever it is) and think, "Ok, Steve, you can do this..."

A few clicks later and BAM I'm already over $100k.

Rooster89 · 10-18-2011, 07:17 PM

Honestly, sometimes the options list is confusing. I did another build today with the Cs and bam i hit 130k thinking I was doing barebones necessary.

I think porshe should invest in building brokers and advisors. I don't think a 911 is in the cards for a long time. I will wait until my yearly salary exceeds that of the base model before I take a serious look (more than drooling and dreaming.......with a box of tissues and lube)

Nikon FM · 10-18-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooster89

Honestly, sometimes the options list is confusing. I did another build today with the Cs and bam i hit 130k thinking I was doing barebones necessary.

I think porshe should invest in building brokers and advisors. I don't think a 911 is in the cards for a long time. I will wait until my yearly salary exceeds that of the base model before I take a serious look (more than drooling and dreaming.......with a box of tissues and lube)

Go used. It is amazing how much cheaper a 3 year old 911 is compared to new. Solid car, an inspection, an extended warranty and bam; you are good to go.

KillerBee370 · 10-18-2011, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikon FM

Go used. It is amazing how much cheaper a 3 year old 911 is compared to new. Solid car, an inspection, an extended warranty and bam; you are good to go.

Yeah but it's hard to swallow because much to Porsche's credit, they tend to make leaps and bounds in styling and performance YEAR TO YEAR. I think the Z has gotten what in 3 years now... an oil cooler? lol

Right when I think I like a Porsche, I almost want to wait for the new one because it will undoubtedly have more hp, downforce and different styling that's actually noteacible.

Did I spell noticeable right?
Noticable
Noticible
Ummm...

autopc25 · 10-19-2011, 12:03 PM

Years ago, I think I read the median income of a 911 owner was almost $390K and about 45 years old, 80%+ male.

A new 991 PDK is going to cost about $95+ with a few options. A 991 C2S PDK about
$110K optioned lightly. You can easily add $10k-$15K in options in a blink.

Low mileage second generation PDK cars are holding values much better then first generation cars for a couple of reasons. New DI engines that are more reliable, more powerful and the introduction of PDK. PDK + Sports Chrono Plus cars are way more desirable. Plus Porsche North America re-allocated NA supply at the end of '09 so the US got about 40% less cars. A '09 base CPO 997.2 PDK with average options is about $65K-$70K. A CPO '09 997.2 C2S PDK is very desirable car, used about $80K. Manual first generation 997.1 cars are a lot less desirable. You can buy a '05 997 for around $40K plus repairs. Even less desirable are probably Tiptronic cars?

Used can be a good deal but it will still be a Porsche and Porsche is a expensive car to keep up and repair. A used $40K 911 is still a $80K+ car to repair.

Here is a perspective, a new $100K 911 depreciates about the entire cost of a new $40K Z in 40 months. Or you can buy a new Z and M3 for the same cost of a loaded C2S. Will the C2S still sell...yes. Different strokes for different folks. Just be happy something as good as the Z is offered for $35K-$40K. It's a deal at it's price point.

For $100K I think many on this forum would probably buy a GT-R over a 991?

KillerBee370 · 10-19-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by autopc25

Years ago, I think I read the median income of a 911 owner was almost $390K and about 45 years old, 80%+ male.

A new 991 PDK is going to cost about $95+ with a few options. A 991 C2S PDK about
$110K optioned lightly. You can easily add $10k-$15K in options in a blink.

Low mileage second generation PDK cars are holding values much better then first generation cars for a couple of reasons. New DI engines that are more reliable, more powerful and the introduction of PDK. PDK + Sports Chrono Plus cars are way more desirable. Plus Porsche North America re-allocated NA supply at the end of '09 so the US got about 40% less cars. A '09 base CPO 997.2 PDK with average options is about $65K-$70K. A CPO '09 997.2 C2S PDK is very desirable car, used about $80K. Manual first generation 997.1 cars are a lot less desirable. You can buy a '05 997 for around $40K plus repairs. Even less desirable are probably Tiptronic cars?

Used can be a good deal but it will still be a Porsche and Porsche is a expensive car to keep up and repair. A used $40K 911 is still a $80K+ car to repair.

Here is a perspective, a new $100K 911 depreciates about the entire cost of a new $40K Z in 40 months. Or you can buy a new Z and M3 for the same cost of a loaded C2S. Will the C2S still sell...yes. Different strokes for different folks. Just be happy something as good as the Z is offered for $35K-$40K. It's a deal at it's price point.

It's the best value to performance for the money.

Armonster · 10-19-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by autopc25

For $100K I think many on this forum would probably buy a GT-R over a 991?

Yeah, if I'm dropping 100k I need at least 500hp (stock) in return.

m4a1mustang · 10-19-2011, 02:52 PM

For $100k I'd be happy with a 911 and a 7m40s 'Ring lap.

Armonster · 10-19-2011, 05:53 PM

Not that I wouldn't enjoy the 100k 911, but I think I would just have 911-Turbo-S envy.

Red__Zed · 10-19-2011, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Armonster

Not that I wouldn't enjoy the 100k 911, but I think I would just have 911-Turbo-S envy.

Always tough when there's something better out there.

KillerBee370 · 10-19-2011, 09:51 PM

I was just pricing all the different 911 models online last night. The difference between a regular model and an "s" model is astronomical when you're talking about the turbo. I think it was like 30k for another 50hp? My stats could be wrong but oi!

And 250k for the GT2... Double oi! Not to mention that the turbo s is waaaay more than a GT3 rs. They say that the GT3 rs is more of a "drivers" car than the turbo. I would have to go with the GT3 I think..

Rooster89 · 10-19-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Armonster

Not that I wouldn't enjoy the 100k 911, but I think I would just have 911-Turbo-S envy.

Given the choice of a awd and rwd 911, i think i would have to take the rwd because of the unique driving characteristic that i feel awd depreciates from the rear engined legend. the 911. so just give me a carerra s or a gts. and i would be plenty happy. I could car less about paper stats regarding the turbo S. or the Gt3/gt2. If I am buying a 911 its because i want a 911. not a supercar on drag race steroids or a track car designed to destroy the nissan GTR.

EDIT: kinda like my scotch. anymore than one ice cube, I will yell about. it dilutes it too much.

autopc25 · 10-20-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Armonster

Not that I wouldn't enjoy the 100k 911, but I think I would just have 911-Turbo-S envy.

That Turbo envy would cost a additional $65K+.

10-19-2011, 12:03 PM	#82 (permalink)
autopc25 Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: 60610 Posts: 66 Drives: 2008 C6 Rep Power: 15	Years ago, I think I read the median income of a 911 owner was almost $390K and about 45 years old, 80%+ male. A new 991 PDK is going to cost about $95+ with a few options. A 991 C2S PDK about $110K optioned lightly. You can easily add $10k-$15K in options in a blink. Low mileage second generation PDK cars are holding values much better then first generation cars for a couple of reasons. New DI engines that are more reliable, more powerful and the introduction of PDK. PDK + Sports Chrono Plus cars are way more desirable. Plus Porsche North America re-allocated NA supply at the end of '09 so the US got about 40% less cars. A '09 base CPO 997.2 PDK with average options is about $65K-$70K. A CPO '09 997.2 C2S PDK is very desirable car, used about $80K. Manual first generation 997.1 cars are a lot less desirable. You can buy a '05 997 for around $40K plus repairs. Even less desirable are probably Tiptronic cars? Used can be a good deal but it will still be a Porsche and Porsche is a expensive car to keep up and repair. A used $40K 911 is still a $80K+ car to repair. Here is a perspective, a new $100K 911 depreciates about the entire cost of a new $40K Z in 40 months. Or you can buy a new Z and M3 for the same cost of a loaded C2S. Will the C2S still sell...yes. Different strokes for different folks. Just be happy something as good as the Z is offered for $35K-$40K. It's a deal at it's price point. For $100K I think many on this forum would probably buy a GT-R over a 991? Last edited by autopc25; 10-19-2011 at 12:13 PM.

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