2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:27 PM

I will say this:

I cross shopped, very seriously, the Cayman S and the 370Z. At my price point of "up to $65k or so" I was mainly concerned with value. I ultimately chose the 370Z even though I thought the Cayman S was the better car because the Cayman S was not worth the $30k premium over the Z to me. The Porsche brand honestly means nothing to me UNLESS IT'S A 911 because god damnit if I am buying a Porsche it's going to be a god damn 911! I love them.

I know I said this already, but I'll say it again. If you are in the market for a 911, you are not a value shopper.

nicknick · 10-20-2011, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I will say this:

I cross shopped, very seriously, the Cayman S and the 370Z. At my price point of "up to $65k or so" I was mainly concerned with value. I ultimately chose the 370Z even though I thought the Cayman S was the better car because the Cayman S was not worth the $30k premium over the Z to me. The Porsche brand honestly means nothing to me UNLESS IT'S A 911 because god damnit if I am buying a Porsche it's going to be a god damn 911! I love them.

I know I said this already, but I'll say it again. If you are in the market for a 911, you are not a value shopper.

So, if you are not a value shopper...are you just a guy with more money than sense?

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:32 PM

When you really think about it, there's no way to explain WHY you bought a certain car other than to say... because!

This is America, god damnit. We drive whatever we damn well please.

Red__Zed · 10-13-2011, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

When you really think about it, there's no way to explain WHY you bought a certain car other than to say... because!

This is America, god damnit. We drive whatever we damn well please.

whether we can afford it or not

Masa · 10-13-2011, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

When you really think about it, there's no way to explain WHY you bought a certain car other than to say... because!

This is America, god damnit. We drive whatever we damn well please.

'Murica!! We want fast cars, McMansions, and supersized processed meals because WE CAN!!!

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Masa

'Murica!! We want fast cars, McMansions, and supersized processed meals because WE CAN!!!

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

whether we can afford it or not

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Originally Posted by Masa

'Murica!! We want fast cars, McMansions, and supersized processed meals because WE CAN!!!

Red__Zed · 10-13-2011, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

mpusch · 10-13-2011, 08:14 PM

Lurker here...

I'm not at all being demeaning here, but how many of you have driven a 911 being driven hard? I'm genuinely curious. I have no experience even sitting in a 370z so I can't make a great comparison. However, this past weekend I had about 15 minutes in a 997 Carrera S being driven by a track instructor, on a track. Again, I can't compare it to the performance of a 370, but my goodness the 911 was unbelievable. I should mention that it was a stock car (except brakes, I think) on stock tires.

Curious if anyone else has experience in a 370 (duh) and a newer 911 at the limit?

Mt Tam I am · 10-14-2011, 10:33 AM

For $100K I can see a 911 but it is the Z06 Carbon that beckons me. Every day it dances through my mind.

I can just go buy it, keep the Z or not, but I'd need to work longer before retirement. Not my favorite thought.

I will just go with my current slogan. "If I had the better car too, it just wouldn't be fair."

Shamu · 10-13-2011, 10:29 PM

Porsche is much much better engineered car. The new 991 Carrera S is lighter than previous model. It iwas as fast as 997 GT3 around nurburgring. That's with a smaller motor!

The GTR is a much bigger car and while it may have better acceleration the 991 is much more agile car. Tough to compare the two. 991 is way more car than the Z could ever hope to be.

Porsche prices reflect limited production model. they charge what they can to make set number of cars. They aren't interested in being cost competitive. They still offer very compelling car that is in demand. It's not just the name. If I could justify $100k for a car 991 would be on my shopping list.

Interesting thing is Porsche makes all that performance without large displacement or blowers. It does it with litte 3.4 and 3.6 liter motors that I'm sure results in great mpg.

That Porsche 3.6 in the 991 CS is smaller than our Z motor and makes 50 more hp than a Nismo with a 3.7. the Porsche also loses a lot less power in their drive trains than our Z's. You'd have to make 425 hp to match Porsche 400 hp. And don't even start on rear traction advantage Porsche has. Then look at porsche PDK tranny it's way cool. Porsche is all about efficient design. I haven't seen weight for 991 but it's supposed to be 100 lbs less than outgoing 997.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Porsche is much much better engineered car. The new 991 Carrera S is lighter than previous model. It iwas as fast as 997 GT3 around nurburgring. That's with a smaller motor!

The GTR is a much bigger car and while it may have better acceleration the 991 is much more agile car. Tough to compare the two. 991 is way more car than the Z could ever hope to be.

Porsche prices reflect limited production model. they charge what they can to make set number of cars. They aren't interested in being cost competitive. They still offer very compelling car that is in demand. It's not just the name. If I could justify $100k for a car 991 would be on my shopping list.

Interesting thing is Porsche makes all that performance without large displacement or blowers. It does it with litte 3.4 and 3.6 liter motors that I'm sure results in great mpg.

That Porsche 3.6 in the 991 CS is smaller than our Z motor and makes 50 more hp than a Nismo with a 3.7. the Porsche also loses a lot less power in their drive trains than our Z's. You'd have to make 425 hp to match Porsche. And don't even start on rear traction advantage Porsche has. Then look at porsche PDK tranny it's way cool. Porsche is all about efficient design.

Let me see if I understood you... Porsche FTMFW? lol

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 10:48 PM

Porsche is good stuff. They are just... right.

Pharmacist · 10-14-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

So I'm looking over my new copy of Automobile magazine and I see they have an article on the new Porsche Carrera and Carrera S.

Carrera = 3.4L that puts out 350 hp / 288 ft lbs torque for $83,000

Say what?!

Why the hell wouldn't you...
1. Buy a GTR for that $$$ or...
2. Buy a Z, put about 10K into it and go faster around the track and look better?

WTF?

The Carrera S model puts out 400 hp but now we're dangerously close to 100k with a price tag of $97,000 and change. Arguably my Z is close to that power (depending on what dyno is used

) and I'm not even force inducted yet.

So you're telling me that some corporate exec boring douche really (that OBVIOUSLY has money) wants to drive that boring car?? With those measly specs??

What gives here? I mean even if the GTR isn't your cup of tea, there are more interesting cars in that price range with undoubtedly better specs as far as power goes.

PS: the interior is nice yes... but not $50,000 nicer than the Z touring. Really Porsche?

Why would someone pay 100k for a porsche when cheaper nissans can go just as fast? Well, for the same reason someone spends 20k on a Breitling watch when a $50 casio from wal mart can tell the time just as good. Some people want elite brands and the prestige that comes with it.

KillerBee370 · 10-14-2011, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Pharmacist

Why would someone pay 100k for a porsche when cheaper nissans can go just as fast? Well, for the same reason someone spends 20k on a Breitling watch when a $50 casio from wal mart can tell the time just as good. Some people want elite brands and the prestige that comes with it.

I've got a lot of watches (some pretty pricey) and you know what I wear all the time? My G-Shock. And it'll outlast all of 'em.

10-13-2011, 07:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I will say this: I cross shopped, very seriously, the Cayman S and the 370Z. At my price point of "up to $65k or so" I was mainly concerned with value. I ultimately chose the 370Z even though I thought the Cayman S was the better car because the Cayman S was not worth the $30k premium over the Z to me. The Porsche brand honestly means nothing to me UNLESS IT'S A 911 because god damnit if I am buying a Porsche it's going to be a god damn 911! I love them. I know I said this already, but I'll say it again. If you are in the market for a 911, you are not a value shopper. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-13-2011, 07:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	When you really think about it, there's no way to explain WHY you bought a certain car other than to say... because! This is America, god damnit. We drive whatever we damn well please. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-14-2011, 10:33 AM	#10 (permalink)
Mt Tam I am A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Posts: 10,709 Drives: 370Z T/S/N 6MT & XKE Rep Power: 3843	For $100K I can see a 911 but it is the Z06 Carbon that beckons me. Every day it dances through my mind. I can just go buy it, keep the Z or not, but I'd need to work longer before retirement. Not my favorite thought. I will just go with my current slogan. "If I had the better car too, it just wouldn't be fair." __________________ "Does the carpet match the drapes? NO!!! I don't date bald women." Nissan Motorsports 34R Oil Cooler. Stillen CBE. Hotchkis Sport Sway Bars. KW Variant 3 Coilover System. Stillen Gen3 CAI. Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Stillen Brake Ducts. Carbotech™ XP10/XP8 Pads. Z1 Front Rotors. Z1 Stainless Brake Lines. Two degrees of camber

10-13-2011, 10:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 20	Porsche is much much better engineered car. The new 991 Carrera S is lighter than previous model. It iwas as fast as 997 GT3 around nurburgring. That's with a smaller motor! The GTR is a much bigger car and while it may have better acceleration the 991 is much more agile car. Tough to compare the two. 991 is way more car than the Z could ever hope to be. Porsche prices reflect limited production model. they charge what they can to make set number of cars. They aren't interested in being cost competitive. They still offer very compelling car that is in demand. It's not just the name. If I could justify $100k for a car 991 would be on my shopping list. Interesting thing is Porsche makes all that performance without large displacement or blowers. It does it with litte 3.4 and 3.6 liter motors that I'm sure results in great mpg. That Porsche 3.6 in the 991 CS is smaller than our Z motor and makes 50 more hp than a Nismo with a 3.7. the Porsche also loses a lot less power in their drive trains than our Z's. You'd have to make 425 hp to match Porsche 400 hp. And don't even start on rear traction advantage Porsche has. Then look at porsche PDK tranny it's way cool. Porsche is all about efficient design. I haven't seen weight for 991 but it's supposed to be 100 lbs less than outgoing 997. Last edited by Shamu; 10-13-2011 at 10:48 PM.

10-13-2011, 10:48 PM	#13 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Porsche is good stuff. They are just... right. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-13-2011, 08:14 PM	#9 (permalink)
mpusch Base Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Outside Buffalo, NY Posts: 14 Drives: hehe... Rep Power: 15	Lurker here... I'm not at all being demeaning here, but how many of you have driven a 911 being driven hard? I'm genuinely curious. I have no experience even sitting in a 370z so I can't make a great comparison. However, this past weekend I had about 15 minutes in a 997 Carrera S being driven by a track instructor, on a track. Again, I can't compare it to the performance of a 370, but my goodness the 911 was unbelievable. I should mention that it was a stock car (except brakes, I think) on stock tires. Curious if anyone else has experience in a 370 (duh) and a newer 911 at the limit?

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