2012 Porsche Carrera... hmmm...

mjg · 10-13-2011, 06:48 PM

When you buy a Porsche, the reason is this simple, you want to buy a Porsche.
It's supply and demand. People want to buy the car and are willing to pay for it. Are you mad at them for selling the car for that cost, or the people who can afford and prefer the car? LOL.

The 370Z is an awesome car, I'm glad I can afford it, and love it. If all I wanted was a Porsche, and decided that I wanted one, I wouldn't be fooling myself, and driving around a 370z.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mjg

When you buy a Porsche, the reason is this simple, you want to buy a Porsche.
It's supply and demand. People want to buy the car and are willing to pay for it. Are you mad at them for selling the car for that cost, or the people who can afford and prefer the car? LOL.

The 370Z is an awesome car, I'm glad I can afford it, and love it. If all I wanted was a Porsche, and decided that I wanted one, I wouldn't be fooling myself, and driving around a 370z.

Neither. I just don't think it's "refinement" or "build quality" is worth a difference of $50K over a Z.

And no, I don't think the "name" is worth the difference either. That's a huge margin.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

Neither. I just don't think it's "refinement" or "build quality" is worth a difference of $50K over a Z.

And no, I don't think the "name" is worth the difference either. That's a huge margin.

911 is a totally different car than the Z. If you want to compare the Z to a Porsche, look at the Cayman. That's a far more reasonable comparo.

shadoquad · 10-13-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

911 is a totally different car than the Z. If you want to compare the Z to a Porsche, look at the Cayman. That's a far more reasonable comparo.

Why? Just curious, but why do you say that? A bit more luxury?

I mean, people cross shop Z's and Vettes, and they cross shop Vettes and 911's.

The 911 and Cayman both probably bury a Z on any race track, but they are all three sports cars.

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:16 PM

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Why? Just curious, but why do you say that? A bit more luxury?

I mean, people cross shop Z's and Vettes, and they cross shop Vettes and 911's.

The 911 and Cayman both probably bury a Z on any race track, but they are all three sports cars.

Mainly because of price.

The Z cross-shops with cars like the Corvette/Mustang mainly because of price. Sure there are some people that are not price sensitive and will just buy whatever they want, but most people looking at a car in the sub $50k space are going to be looking at a pretty wide variety just because there are so many choices.

I tend to think that the typical NEW 911 buyer is not going to cross shop with a Z. A nicely optioned 911 Carerra is going to easily run you $100k+. I seriously doubt many people looking at that kind of price are going to look at a Z or anything else in the Z's price range.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

911 is a totally different car than the Z. If you want to compare the Z to a Porsche, look at the Cayman. That's a far more reasonable comparo.

No. I gotta say that a Camaro or Mustang is a totally different car than a Z. And aside from a different body style and a few HP, a Cayman and a Carrera are essentially the same car. Maybe once you step up to a GT3/GT2 the changes become grossly apparent in many areas (such as suspension etc.) but to say that a Carrera and a Z are totally different.... I dunno...

m4a1mustang · 10-13-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

No. I gotta say that a Camaro or Mustang is a totally different car than a Z. And aside from a different body style and a few HP, a Cayman and a Carrera are essentially the same car. Maybe once you step up to a GT3/GT2 the changes become grossly apparent in many areas (such as suspension etc.) but to say that a Carrera and a Z are totally different.... I dunno...

Z and Camaro/Mustang are definitely totally different, but they are competitors because of the price.

I don't think the 911 is anything like the Cayman. One is a large(ish) rear-engine, RWD/AWD 2+2 and the other is a mid-engine, small(ish) 2 seater.

911 comes in so many flavors, but the "typical" 911 is sort of like a GT car and a sports car mixed. To me, anyways. And it's a 911.

autopc25 · 10-15-2011, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by KillerBee370

No. I gotta say that a Camaro or Mustang is a totally different car than a Z. And aside from a different body style and a few HP, a Cayman and a Carrera are essentially the same car. Maybe once you step up to a GT3/GT2 the changes become grossly apparent in many areas (such as suspension etc.) but to say that a Carrera and a Z are totally different.... I dunno...

You really "donno".

They are really different and have totally different driving dynamics. A Z is front engine. A cayman is a mid engine. The C2 is a rear engine.

Try looking past printed 0-60, 1/4 mile, HP/TQ. You need to drive a Porsche to understand why some people are willing to pay the huge premium to drive them. Road feel, braking, steering feel, balance, driver inspired confidence, refinement it's all there.

There are a few exceptions like early 997.1 and Caymans with oil starvation and oil seal failures. For the most part they hold up to harder then normal use better then most cars. Not too many cars you can drive hard on a track with not much to modified.

A Z is a great car for it's price point but not a Porsche. A Porsche offers near supercar performance and can be driven as a daily driver due to it's refinement. Most people who question a P-Car have never actually driven one or is not financially ready to buy one yet.

GT-R is super deal, offers super performance that is superior to most Porsche models, but not nearly as refined as a daily driver as a Porsche. I can understand putting up with all the transmission noises and stiff suspension though. The GT-R is really one of those super great cars at any price.

Waiz · 10-13-2011, 07:05 PM

What's funny is that Porsche nickel and dimes you for every little option too. Try pricing out a GT3!

I agree with you totally about the price to performance ratio but at the end of the day it's still a Porsche 911 and people will fork over the dough over a Z or GT-R when they can afford to and aren't really fans of Nissan's.

dirtrat · 10-13-2011, 07:06 PM

Not sure I really agree with you. I would much rather have a Porsche Carrera or Carrera S. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a Carrera S than a GTR, especially if you are talking about the 2012 Carrera.

kenchan · 10-13-2011, 07:14 PM

Op- I think Hyundai buyers say the same thing about all cars. Why pay this when you can pay this and get the exact same thing?!

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:16 PM

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Op- I think Hyundai buyers say the same thing about all cars. Why pay this when you can pay this and get the exact same thing?!

That may be but with all my mods I'm neck and neck when I drop the hammer in 4th gear against my buddy's Genesis coupe with only an CAI and CBE. Kinda makes you think...

I don't think he has nearly the handling as my particular Z track wise but...

azn370z · 10-13-2011, 07:32 PM

I've been thinking about buying the Cayman r. I know its just a little faster and not as reliable as a z but it's something I would pay extra just for the beauty of the car. I wouldn't spend $10k more for a 911 because I think the Cayman looks better. So yes some people don't buy sports cars because its the fastest.

KillerBee370 · 10-13-2011, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

I've been thinking about buying the Cayman r. I know its just a little faster and not as reliable as a z but it's something I would pay extra just for the beauty of the car. I wouldn't spend $10k more for a 911 because I think the Cayman looks better. So yes some people don't buy sports cars because its the fastest.

Please see my avatar...

mjg · 10-13-2011, 07:24 PM

Driven a bunch of Porsche Carreras. They are fun cars, the sound of the engine behind you rumbling is great, and the feel of driving a go cart, that's refined, awesome vehicle. They are my favorite convertible, and I would have no problem having one as a DD.

Even so -- I don't want one. I see why people like them. It's fair to wonder why people like them more, but have you driven one? As people keep saying, value is subjective, and a Z and a Porsche may be comparable in some respects, but are apples and oranges.

There was a similar thread to this not so long ago, a guy who wanted to snatch up and older whale back Porsche, the guy had his mind made up, and it was a huge argument about why he was "trading down". I prefer a modern car, and love the 370 Z. To each their own... The cost of a Porsche is as irrelevant as the performance numbers when you compare them side by side.

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10-13-2011, 06:48 PM	#1 (permalink)
mjg Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: nyc Posts: 243 Drives: 13' GT 500 Rep Power: 16	When you buy a Porsche, the reason is this simple, you want to buy a Porsche. It's supply and demand. People want to buy the car and are willing to pay for it. Are you mad at them for selling the car for that cost, or the people who can afford and prefer the car? LOL. The 370Z is an awesome car, I'm glad I can afford it, and love it. If all I wanted was a Porsche, and decided that I wanted one, I wouldn't be fooling myself, and driving around a 370z.

10-13-2011, 07:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
Waiz A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 9,262 Drives: Z33 & GE8 Rep Power: 460	What's funny is that Porsche nickel and dimes you for every little option too. Try pricing out a GT3! I agree with you totally about the price to performance ratio but at the end of the day it's still a Porsche 911 and people will fork over the dough over a Z or GT-R when they can afford to and aren't really fans of Nissan's.

10-13-2011, 07:06 PM	#10 (permalink)
dirtrat Base Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Sacramento Posts: 170 Drives: 2011 370Z/Touring/Sp Rep Power: 15	Not sure I really agree with you. I would much rather have a Porsche Carrera or Carrera S. In fact I'm pretty sure I'd rather have a Carrera S than a GTR, especially if you are talking about the 2012 Carrera.

10-13-2011, 07:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141521	Op- I think Hyundai buyers say the same thing about all cars. Why pay this when you can pay this and get the exact same thing?!

10-13-2011, 07:24 PM	#15 (permalink)
mjg Base Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: nyc Posts: 243 Drives: 13' GT 500 Rep Power: 16	Driven a bunch of Porsche Carreras. They are fun cars, the sound of the engine behind you rumbling is great, and the feel of driving a go cart, that's refined, awesome vehicle. They are my favorite convertible, and I would have no problem having one as a DD. Even so -- I don't want one. I see why people like them. It's fair to wonder why people like them more, but have you driven one? As people keep saying, value is subjective, and a Z and a Porsche may be comparable in some respects, but are apples and oranges. There was a similar thread to this not so long ago, a guy who wanted to snatch up and older whale back Porsche, the guy had his mind made up, and it was a huge argument about why he was "trading down". I prefer a modern car, and love the 370 Z. To each their own... The cost of a Porsche is as irrelevant as the performance numbers when you compare them side by side.