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m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Oh god the Solid Rear Axle argument comes out again...

It's OK, FWD will pwn us all.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

That's where I need a smarter car guy to teach this young padawan learner. What is the best rear setup offered if you were going SC 624 HP?

If I was going with that much power, I would want either the stock 3.31 or the 3.55 gear. Probably 3.55. Either way you'll want to run a lot of tire out back.

phelan · 10-12-2011, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's OK, FWD will pwn us all.

then what does AWD do?

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by phelan

then what does AWD do?

Adds more lateral Gs, duh! It also helps SUVs stop faster in snow.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:31 AM

BTW, I don't mean to be a **** about the Tiburon comment... but really. A guy is calling out the Mustang claiming poor handling because of extra weight and a solid axle and... Tiburon.

It feels like... high school.

NissanGuy23 · 10-12-2011, 12:34 AM

The Tiburon handles like crap, but, i love the sharp steering feel. The FWD is a killer. The Tiburon is 5 years old, and its going to get replaced soon, with, guess what car..

Lemers · 10-12-2011, 12:34 AM

His opinion counts. Afterall he drives all the worlds fastest cars on GT5

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NissanGuy23

The Tiburon handles like crap, but, i love the sharp steering feel. The FWD is a killer. The Tiburon is 5 years old, and its going to get replaced soon, with, guess what car..

Enjoy your Z in good health.

NissanGuy23 · 10-12-2011, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

His opinion counts. Afterall he drives all the worlds fastest cars on GT5

FALSE

I have not yet saved up for the fastest ones.

FL 4Motion · 10-12-2011, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

I'm just weighing all my options if I do this I have one shot at getting it right.

I'd personally go with a Boss 302 over the shelby, but that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Lemers

On ford racing they have a SC kit that makes 624 HP and is $7500. So I buy a 5.0 w/ brembo and a 3.73 limited slip rear axle and get them to install that beast it seems to still come out around the same or cheaper than a Shelby.

I'd take the Shelby over /\ that option though.

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Originally Posted by Lemers

That's where I need a smarter car guy to teach this young padawan learner. What is the best rear setup offered if you were going SC 624 HP?

As m4a1 said, you'll want "longer" gears so you can use put that extra power down, same reasoning why TT Z often switch out to A/T final drive ratios so that they can stay in gear longer.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

His opinion counts. Afterall he drives all the worlds fastest cars on GT5

I just get a kick out of the misguided comments I see from time to time about the Mustang and handling.

There is a huge misconception out there about body roll, for one. A car can be too stiff just as it can be too soft, so body roll is not necessarily a bad thing.

With the Z and the Brembo package 5.0s, the body roll is roughly the same. The only difference is there is slightly more felt body roll with the Mustang because of the extra weight and faster roll rate. That said, both cars corner very flat. I do have a set of Konis waiting to go on the car, though, which will really turn it into even more of a corner carver. My goal is a suspension setup that is superior to the Boss.

I've been doing this long enough to have an idea of what handles and what doesn't, and both the 5.0 and the Z certainly do. And they both do it quite well. Stock-for-stock I feel like the 5.0 actually has the superior balance, as the Z has gobs of built in understeer with it's staggered setup and soft rear anti-roll bar. The 5.0 is slightly under-damped in the rear but overall has the better balance. This is subjective, though. Some people feel more comfortable with understeer, and that's perfectly fine.

Anyways, it's late, so I will leave you with this for your viewing and aural pleasure. A 5.0 and 370Z on a romp through the mountains of Tennessee.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I'd personally go with a Boss 302 over the shelby, but that's just me.

I'd take the Shelby over /\ that option though.

As m4a1 said, you'll want "longer" gears so you can use put that extra power down, same reasoning why TT Z often switch out to A/T final drive ratios so that they can stay in gear longer.

The Shelby is cool because of the name and the look, but the 5.0 is just hands down the better engine. There was a pretty good article comparing both the 5.4 and 5.0 in one of the dedicated Mustang mags a few months ago... I'll see if I can dig it up when I wake up tomorrow...

I do love the Boss, though. If I just wanted a weekend fun car / track day car I'd be all over the Boss in a heart beat over the standard 5.0 and the current GT500. I can't live without the Premium package (and Sync) on a DD, though.

FL 4Motion · 10-12-2011, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The Shelby is cool because of the name and the look, but the 5.0 is just hands down the better engine. There was a pretty good article comparing both the 5.4 and 5.0 in one of the dedicated Mustang mags a few months ago... I'll see if I can dig it up when I wake up tomorrow...

I do love the Boss, though. If I just wanted a weekend fun car / track day car I'd be all over the Boss in a heart beat over the standard 5.0 and the current GT500. I can't live without the Premium package (and Sync) on a DD, though.

No argument out of me as to the 5.0 being a better engine. But, if I was wanting an FI'd stang, I'd jsut start with one that came that way from the factory.

The Boss is one helluva car, I'd rock one in a heartbeat except for the fact that my $$ is tied up in my Z, (and my wife is a diehard Z nut as well and strongly dislikes domestics). Even she thinks the Boss is cool tho.

Plus, I am trying to cure my car add so my plan is to keep my Z at least 5-6years or more. This addiction of mine (new car every 12-24 months for the last xx years) has cost me too much $$ that could have gone towards, well I dunno actually, I live a pretty simple lifestyle and have pretty much everything I need/want so I suppose it'd just be sitting in the bank, but still, must cure this affliction.

m4a1mustang · 10-12-2011, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

No argument out of me as to the 5.0 being a better engine. But, if I was wanting an FI'd stang, I'd jsut start with one that came that way from the factory.

The Boss is one helluva car, I'd rock one in a heartbeat except for the fact that my $$ is tied up in my Z, (and my wife is a diehard Z nut as well and strongly dislikes domestics). Even she thinks the Boss is cool tho.

Plus, I am trying to cure my car add so my plan is to keep my Z at least 5-6years or more. This addiction of mine (new car every 12-24 months for the last xx years) has cost me too much $$ that could have gone towards, well I dunno actually, I live a pretty simple lifestyle and have pretty much everything I need/want so I suppose it'd just be sitting in the bank, but still, must cure this affliction.

Good point on starting with factory FI. Though Ford warranties the 525 hp FRPP s/c kit on the 5.0s.

I also need to cure my car ADD. Every now and then I look up M3s and the new 911s and just shake my head at my disease.

FL 4Motion · 10-12-2011, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Good point on starting with factory FI. Though Ford warranties the 525 hp FRPP s/c kit on the 5.0s.

I also need to cure my car ADD. Every now and then I look up M3s and the new 911s and just shake my head at my disease.

we need to start a support group, I know we're not the only two here with this problem, dare I say, disease?

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NissanGuy23 Track Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: West Chester, PA Age: 36 Posts: 752 Drives: 09 370Z NISMO PG 6MT Rep Power: 15	The Tiburon handles like crap, but, i love the sharp steering feel. The FWD is a killer. The Tiburon is 5 years old, and its going to get replaced soon, with, guess what car..