5.0

FromG2Z · 10-10-2011, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

When I bought my 370Z it had a markup of $5,000 over sticker on the car. I laughed! Ended up paying $1000 under invoice back in March 2009 when they had only been out a couple months!

I think if you do your work you can get a good deal on a new GT500.

^This. Same story with me. Just gotta do your homework and be willing to walk away. Only reason why some dealers give these ridiculous markups and expect you to pay asking price is because some dumb folks actually DO pay it.

shadoquad · 10-11-2011, 12:07 PM

Yep. I say low ball them for right around invoice. If they aren't willing to go that low, they aren't worth your business, and in a few months, if that car's still on the showroom floor, they'll change their tune.

Lug · 10-11-2011, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Yep. I say low ball them for right around invoice. If they aren't willing to go that low, they aren't worth your business, and in a few months, if that car's still on the showroom floor, they'll change their tune.

Also, give them a "window of opportunity" that you will be willing to buy at that price. After that, tell them you will move on or they will think of you as a fish in the tank whilst they angle for someone else willing to pay more.

FromG2Z · 10-11-2011, 02:49 PM

when buying ANY new car, never pay more than 500 over invoice if you can help it... unless of course you're buying a porsche or ferrari... lol. Any mainstream vehicle, should be able to get close to invoice if not under it.

m4a1mustang · 10-11-2011, 03:02 PM

Yeah, even if it's in demand you should be able to at least get invoice for it.

FromG2Z · 10-11-2011, 03:31 PM

Steve btw, another topic... I was on the stang forum, and read there that though a CAI with tune is best for most gains, this dude said it's still worth getting a CAI with no tune because it results in about 20whp, proven by like Airraid or something.

Is this true? I thought gains from CAI with no tune are minimal at best.

m4a1mustang · 10-11-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Steve btw, another topic... I was on the stang forum, and read there that though a CAI with tune is best for most gains, this dude said it's still worth getting a CAI with no tune because it results in about 20whp, proven by like Airraid or something.

Is this true? I thought gains from CAI with no tune are minimal at best.

I've seen some of the no-tune CAIs at around 10whp or so. 20whp seems far fetched to me.

Red370 · 10-11-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Steve btw, another topic... I was on the stang forum, and read there that though a CAI with tune is best for most gains, this dude said it's still worth getting a CAI with no tune because it results in about 20whp, proven by like Airraid or something.

Is this true? I thought gains from CAI with no tune are minimal at best.

definitely no 20whp gain with any intake w/o a tune. Most brands do a baseline with either an 87 or 91 octane fuel, then tune the intake with 93 then re-dyno, thats why there are claims of 30+ whp. I've seen people on svt and afm with actual dyno sheets that have definitely seen gains of 20whp+ with a cai/tune combo. Airraid and JLT so far have made the best numbers according to Chris at AM.

Red370 · 10-11-2011, 03:52 PM

oh, figured i'd share this thread with you guys, a 950+hp 5.0 w/ stock MT82 transmission, holy crap.

952.8 Rear Wheel Horsepower 2011 5.0L Mustang GT - Ford Mustang Forums

Lemers · 10-11-2011, 04:16 PM

How long until the engine goes under that stress?

Red370 · 10-11-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

How long until the engine goes under that stress?

good question, there are quite a few shop cars pushing 700+whp on the stock internals, still going strong and sitting comfortably in the low 10's/high 9's, man I need forced induction.

Red370 · 10-11-2011, 04:41 PM

here's a pass with a built block/procharger:

8 seconds? holy shyt man.

Lemers · 10-11-2011, 09:41 PM

So if you had it to do all over again would you buy a GT500 or a supercharged 5.0?

m4a1mustang · 10-11-2011, 09:45 PM

I prefer the 5.0... I think it's the better engine. I'd take an N/A 5.0 over the GT500... but that's just me.

Red__Zed · 10-11-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I prefer the 5.0... I think it's the better engine. I'd take an N/A 5.0 over the GT500... but that's just me.

Do not like the 5.4 nearly as much. Still a beastly engine though.

10-11-2011, 02:49 PM	#1669 (permalink)
FromG2Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fields of Opportunities Posts: 1,406 Drives: '12 5.0, kona, 6MT Rep Power: 18	when buying ANY new car, never pay more than 500 over invoice if you can help it... unless of course you're buying a porsche or ferrari... lol. Any mainstream vehicle, should be able to get close to invoice if not under it. __________________ 2012 5.0 GT Prem, Kona Blue, 6MT, HID, Brembo, 3.73 -- Ordered: 9/20/11, Born on: 10/20/11, Delivered 11/15/11"Marilyn" GT500 mufflers/flaps, MGW shifter, FRPP K springs, BMR panhard bar, Boss coil covers, 3DC spoiler, Llumar Tint (35% and 20%), 3M ClearBra

10-11-2011, 03:02 PM	#1670 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yeah, even if it's in demand you should be able to at least get invoice for it. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

10-11-2011, 03:31 PM	#1671 (permalink)
FromG2Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Fields of Opportunities Posts: 1,406 Drives: '12 5.0, kona, 6MT Rep Power: 18	Steve btw, another topic... I was on the stang forum, and read there that though a CAI with tune is best for most gains, this dude said it's still worth getting a CAI with no tune because it results in about 20whp, proven by like Airraid or something. Is this true? I thought gains from CAI with no tune are minimal at best. __________________ 2012 5.0 GT Prem, Kona Blue, 6MT, HID, Brembo, 3.73 -- Ordered: 9/20/11, Born on: 10/20/11, Delivered 11/15/11"Marilyn" GT500 mufflers/flaps, MGW shifter, FRPP K springs, BMR panhard bar, Boss coil covers, 3DC spoiler, Llumar Tint (35% and 20%), 3M ClearBra

10-11-2011, 03:52 PM	#1674 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	oh, figured i'd share this thread with you guys, a 950+hp 5.0 w/ stock MT82 transmission, holy crap. 952.8 Rear Wheel Horsepower 2011 5.0L Mustang GT - Ford Mustang Forums __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

10-11-2011, 04:16 PM	#1675 (permalink)
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10-11-2011, 12:07 PM	#1667 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	Yep. I say low ball them for right around invoice. If they aren't willing to go that low, they aren't worth your business, and in a few months, if that car's still on the showroom floor, they'll change their tune.

10-11-2011, 04:41 PM	#1677 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	here's a pass with a built block/procharger: 8 seconds? holy shyt man. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

10-11-2011, 09:41 PM	#1678 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	So if you had it to do all over again would you buy a GT500 or a supercharged 5.0? __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

10-11-2011, 09:45 PM	#1679 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I prefer the 5.0... I think it's the better engine. I'd take an N/A 5.0 over the GT500... but that's just me. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!