5.0

FromG2Z · 09-24-2011, 09:15 PM

So Steve you have the Ford Racing Performance Parts axle backs, with X pipe, correct? LOL, took me a while to figure out what FRPP means. I was looking at Borla's site, so is that the same as the S-type axle back then?

m4a1mustang · 09-24-2011, 09:20 PM

Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0.

I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment.

FromG2Z · 09-24-2011, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Yeah, from everything I have read and researched, the FRPP Sport = Borla S-Type and FRPP Touring = Borla Touring. Of course David Borla will never admit they are the same. When I talked to him about it he danced around the question but acknowledged that Borla did indeed make the FRPP mufflers for the 5.0.

I do have the FRPP X pipe, but for whatever reason fitment is really bad. It was a PITA to install. I actually need to have the Cat-to-X connections welded if I want to keep it; I've got a sizeable exhaust leak at the moment.

Very interesting Steve. Thanks for the great info. So in my research and listening to your vids, I really like the FRPP sports. And since they're Ford, should be all covered under warranty right

So any benefits to ordering/going beyond the axle backs? They sounds fantastic with just the axle backs. Does ordering the cat backs just give you an x-pipe? And where do you recommend buying them for best price?

Red370 · 09-25-2011, 07:12 AM

Welp, decided to head up to the Frankfurt Auto Show yesterday with my speed adrenaline junkie Fraulein in tow, got a chance to open the Stang up on the way, I pegged it out completely, car is definitely held back due to drag issues but I reached 160 quick, fast and in a hurry. I recorded a little 80 to 130 pull in 5th gear if yall wanna see it. Of all the cars there, there were a few that definitely stood out.

Ford EVOS

and this badass little gem:

fvcking love that flat paint.

Red370 · 09-25-2011, 07:20 AM

and a few more:

this fuckstain wouldnt get out of the way

Riced out Veyron:

new M5

Porsche Carrera

New Focus ST

m4a1mustang · 09-25-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Very interesting Steve. Thanks for the great info. So in my research and listening to your vids, I really like the FRPP sports. And since they're Ford, should be all covered under warranty right

So any benefits to ordering/going beyond the axle backs? They sounds fantastic with just the axle backs. Does ordering the cat backs just give you an x-pipe? And where do you recommend buying them for best price?

TBH I'm not sure about FRPP parts and warranty; I think if you order through the dealership and have them do the work there is some sort of limited warranty on parts, but for something like exhaust I wouldn't be concerned with that.

Axlebacks obviously are just for sound. Power gains from swapping the mufflers are absolutely nada... zilch... nothing! The real gains with the 5.0 are when you replace the cats with HFCs or just get rid of them outright.

The Cat-back is going to give you all of the piping from the cats back. In the case of the Borla S-Type cat back, the H is replaced by an X and the factory resonators are deleted.

In my case, I don't care about squeezing any extra power out of the car through the exhaust. I wanted to keep the stock cats. The only change I wanted was with the sound, and by swapping the mufflers and X pipe I could achieve that goal rather easily.

If you don't mind spending the money, and if you want it a little louder (due to the deletion of the resonators), I would consider getting the Borla S-Type cat-back. You get your X pipe and you replace all of the piping back to the mufflers.

FWIW, though, the gains from just a catback are minimal. Most come from the headers and cats. There are a TON of options out there, so just take your time and sift through them all!

@Red, good stuff!

Alchemy · 09-25-2011, 10:21 AM

Awesome pics Red! Love that fvcking Evora!

FromG2Z · 09-25-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

TBH I'm not sure about FRPP parts and warranty; I think if you order through the dealership and have them do the work there is some sort of limited warranty on parts, but for something like exhaust I wouldn't be concerned with that.

Axlebacks obviously are just for sound. Power gains from swapping the mufflers are absolutely nada... zilch... nothing! The real gains with the 5.0 are when you replace the cats with HFCs or just get rid of them outright.

The Cat-back is going to give you all of the piping from the cats back. In the case of the Borla S-Type cat back, the H is replaced by an X and the factory resonators are deleted.

In my case, I don't care about squeezing any extra power out of the car through the exhaust. I wanted to keep the stock cats. The only change I wanted was with the sound, and by swapping the mufflers and X pipe I could achieve that goal rather easily.

If you don't mind spending the money, and if you want it a little louder (due to the deletion of the resonators), I would consider getting the Borla S-Type cat-back. You get your X pipe and you replace all of the piping back to the mufflers.

FWIW, though, the gains from just a catback are minimal. Most come from the headers and cats. There are a TON of options out there, so just take your time and sift through them all!

@Red, good stuff!

Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

Red__Zed · 09-25-2011, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

To be honest, I put zero faith into the sound descriptions I read on most forums.

The Roush sound very raspy to me. I think the tone is nice though

FromG2Z · 09-25-2011, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

To be honest, I put zero faith into the sound descriptions I read on most forums.

The Roush sound very raspy to me. I think the tone is nice though

I know what you mean Red... but I have no choice... not much other stangs around here, modded with exhausts no less. You think the Roush's sound raspy? Which you like better? I have the Borla S's as my other option because the FRPP's are not stainless/polished tips, right?

Red__Zed · 09-25-2011, 10:59 AM

I love the sound of steve's exhaust, so frpp sport or s type sounds like a great option to me. I have a hard time dropping $700 on just mufflers though.

From what I've heard on the car though, there is no better option.

m4a1mustang · 09-25-2011, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Thanks Steve! After further research last night and this morning... I think I've narrowed it down to axle backs for sure, but choosing between Borla S-type axle backs, or Roush axle backs. Any thoughts on the Roush? I know they're cheaper ~400. But they sound great too! Any feedback on drone? I think I read there's hardly any either.

I have heard the Roush in person before and it sounds pretty good. It does seem to have a bit of rasp but wasn't too bad from what I remember. Not really sure on drone.

Another good option would be the GT500 mufflers. Louder than stock with no drone. Not as loud as the Roush or Borlas, but if you wanted more volume you could always delete the resonators. A lot of people really like this setup.

FromG2Z · 09-25-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I love the sound of steve's exhaust, so frpp sport or s type sounds like a great option to me. I have a hard time dropping $700 on just mufflers though.

From what I've heard on the car though, there is no better option.

Exactly my thoughts too Red. $700 on mufflers!

My invidia catback were 700~ish...lol.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I have heard the Roush in person before and it sounds pretty good. It does seem to have a bit of rasp but wasn't too bad from what I remember. Not really sure on drone.

Another good option would be the GT500 mufflers. Louder than stock with no drone. Not as loud as the Roush or Borlas, but if you wanted more volume you could always delete the resonators. A lot of people really like this setup.

I will have to check that out. GT500's mufflers with no resonators eh? How much would that set me back?

Also, are your FRPP's polished, Steve?

m4a1mustang · 09-25-2011, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by FromG2Z

Exactly my thoughts too Red. $700 on mufflers!

My invidia catback were 700~ish...lol.

I will have to check that out. GT500's mufflers with no resonators eh? How much would that set me back?

Also, are your FRPP's polished, Steve?

The mufflers are not, they just look OEM, but the tips are rolled stainless steel.

Here's the GT500 axle-back (with resonators) for your reference:

Late Model Restoration has them in stock for $255 not including shipping: 2011-2012 Mustang GT/GT500 5.0L/5.4L Ford Racing GT500 Style Axle-Back Exhaust Kit M-5230-Mgtca1 at LRS - Same Day Shipping!

The Roush:

Roush will be a lot louder. Depends on the sound you are going for.

b1adesofcha0s · 09-25-2011, 12:53 PM

Nice pics Red

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