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Red__Zed · 09-22-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Dude, the Z handles very, very well. I'm overwhelmed with its level of grip.

Granted, I've never tracked it, but it handles on rails in the twisties.

Never said it didn't. I'm just saying you've never pulled 1.01gs in a stock car (or .94 or whatever the base model pulls). With stockish camber settings, you'll never get there.

Don't confuse handling like rails in the twisties with track performance. Our hottest run on the dragon was maybe 7/10s of what an sp z could do.

b1adesofcha0s · 09-22-2011, 03:21 PM

Where are you looking up the weather data Dan? I have trouble finding the barometric pressure and humidity if it's not already in dragtimes database.

Red__Zed · 09-22-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Where are you looking up the weather data Dan? I have trouble finding the barometric pressure and humidity if it's not already in dragtimes database.

Hmmm...I don't have access to the site I used to use since it was an internal school site. Let me see if I can find someone to dig it up...

shadoquad · 09-22-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Never said it didn't. I'm just saying you've never pulled 1.01gs in a stock car (or .94 or whatever the base model pulls). With stockish camber settings, you'll never get there.

Don't confuse handling like rails in the twisties with track performance. Our hottest run on the dragon was maybe 7/10s of what an sp z could do.

The only times the car feels unglued to me are when the tires are shot, when it's super cold outside, or when the road is bumpy. Otherwise, it's very well planted.

I haven't heard too many of the tracking members here complain about their Z's handling, but perhaps I need to pay more attention.

Dan, your Mustang is dumb. Even amongst other Mustangs. They laugh about it behind its back.

b1adesofcha0s · 09-22-2011, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Hmmm...I don't have access to the site I used to use since it was an internal school site. Let me see if I can find someone to dig it up...

Cool, thanks! What I did before was use data from some other track in MD that dragtimes did have and just assumed it was the same.

Red__Zed · 09-22-2011, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

The only times the car feels unglued to me are when the tires are shot, when it's super cold outside, or when the road is bumpy. Otherwise, it's very well planted.

I haven't heard too many of the tracking members here complain about their Z's handling, but perhaps I need to pay more attention.

Dan, your Mustang is dumb. Even amongst other Mustangs. They laugh about it behind its back.

The few track guys left that run seriously are running 3* of camber up front to battle the chassis. There aren't really many good Fca options either, so you wind up with slip.

Again, the z is super planted on the street. You have to wrench the wheel to get the back end out, and even when it does break loose, it's all front, so anyone can correct it. Makes for great, safe fun on the street.

But saying a car feels planted on the street is doesn't give any idea how it handles at the limit (unless you are recklessly endangering people, and I know you're too mature for that)

And yes...all the other mustangs make fun of mine for being the only one without 400 whp

shadoquad · 09-22-2011, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The few track guys left that run seriously are running 3* of camber up front to battle the chassis. There aren't really many good Fca options either, so you wind up with slip.

Again, the z is super planted on the street. You have to wrench the wheel to get the back end out, and even when it does break loose, it's all front, so anyone can correct it. Makes for great, safe fun on the street.

But saying a car feels planted on the street is doesn't give any idea how it handles at the limit (unless you are recklessly endangering people, and I know you're too mature for that)

And yes...all the other mustangs make fun of mine for being the only one without 400 whp

I know there's a huge difference in track vs street, but I also know that mag times are not perfectly applicable to either really. They have both sets of enthusiasts as their audience.

It's why I hate when people bark mag numbers out, because I mentally append to each statement...

note: these are not z-specifc numbers, just examples
0-60 in less than 5 under perfect conditions
0.96 on the skid under perfect conditions
7:35 around the Nring under perfect conditions
335hp under perfect conditions
45mpg under perfect conditions
etc

And those conditions vary. Testers specialize on what will get the best numbers.

Just because my Z is capable of sub-5 second 0-60 times, that doesn't imply that i'll ever hit that or that I'd even want to on a public road.

I wasn't completely arguing, just saying that i love my car's handling, and I'll add that Mustangs handle just as well from what we've all seen together on the Dragon.

Red__Zed · 09-22-2011, 03:44 PM

Yeah, thats why i get annoyed when people spit times as proof. If you like your car for what it is, you don't need proof. It's purely subjective. No one (now) buys a z for track times. The guys still running it are on it because they're heavily invested in the platform. But that doesn't make it a bad car.

The z was designed with beating the caymans mag numbers in mind, and it turned out to do exactly that...without beating it on the track. As a result, the car is kind of an oddity--but for some people, it fits a perfect niche that no car was in before--sweet handling, small enough to be sporty, but roomy inside, and a relative ton of power. If you're looking for the z's mix, it's the perfect car.

shadoquad · 09-22-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Yeah, thats why i get annoyed when people spit times as proof. If you like your car for what it is, you don't need proof. It's purely subjective. No one (now) buys a z for track times. The guys still running it are on it because they're heavily invested in the platform. But that doesn't make it a bad car.

The z was designed with beating the caymans mag numbers in mind, and it turned out to do exactly that...without beating it on the track. As a result, the car is kind of an oddity--but for some people, it fits a perfect niche that no car was in before--sweet handling, small enough to be sporty, but roomy inside, and a relative ton of power. If you're looking for the z's mix, it's the perfect car.

also you can trick mustang owners into them for mag lite sessions from what I've heard.

Red__Zed · 09-22-2011, 03:51 PM

As a fun note... The z fuels starves if you run the skidpad in the other direction

Red__Zed · 09-22-2011, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

also you can trick mustang owners into them for mag lite sessions from what I've heard.

m4a1mustang · 09-22-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

The mods were not huge, but he was not stock.

I had mufflers on, which add a whopping 0 hp.

red6spd · 09-22-2011, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I had mufflers on, which add a whopping 0 hp.

Trailing arms as well correct?

m4a1mustang · 09-22-2011, 06:12 PM

Ah yes, the ones I promptly removed because they didn't do a goddamn thing.

m4a1mustang · 09-22-2011, 06:14 PM

If I can run a 12.87 doing this:

You can imagine I'd run much quicker with traction. The car is good for low 12s on drag radials in stock trim.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	If I can run a 12.87 doing this: You can imagine I'd run much quicker with traction. The car is good for low 12s on drag radials in stock trim. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

09-22-2011, 03:44 PM	#848 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	Yeah, thats why i get annoyed when people spit times as proof. If you like your car for what it is, you don't need proof. It's purely subjective. No one (now) buys a z for track times. The guys still running it are on it because they're heavily invested in the platform. But that doesn't make it a bad car. The z was designed with beating the caymans mag numbers in mind, and it turned out to do exactly that...without beating it on the track. As a result, the car is kind of an oddity--but for some people, it fits a perfect niche that no car was in before--sweet handling, small enough to be sporty, but roomy inside, and a relative ton of power. If you're looking for the z's mix, it's the perfect car.