yeah... i dont see it...

men shouldnt have to be explaining themselves to much anyway...we are on a CAR forum...thick skin is a must

There is Z hating going on, whether or not you recognize it when you do it. It happens. People step on each others' toes.

If someone takes my name and trolls other forums, wtf do I care? They're not really me. AK won't ban me because some moron on another forum pretends he's shado.

There's only one shadoquad on this forum, and here's how you know *lowers pants to show birthmark*

I don't think I have been bashing anything. Just been openly cross shopping the Z, s2k, and the 5.0. All three are sex. just different flavors. And its a hell of a decision and I am taking my time.

Just gotta say though, you could take all the negativity on this board and blend it together and it still won't compare to how immature and negative clubrsx is.

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For the most part this is a very mature and friendly forum. Many people will agree that this is def one of the better car forums EVER. I personally do think there are slight attacks on the Z, intentionally or unintentionally in here but who cares. Everyone isn't always gonna see eye to eye and I think the competition is fun. People are always gonna defend the car they own and since most of us are passionate car guys sometimes things get a little outta hand. I dont take ANYTHING I read on here to heart. This is a 5.0 thread so let them say what they want, at least in here. Let me add that for the most part these guys offer up techinical advice and compare the two cars. Things they say at times can be taken the wrong way by some people but you just have to deal with it. I dont think any of them really "hate" it. Like m4a1 said he is interested in a roadster. Im rambling let me get back to BF3.

I've not once attacked the Mustang, I might add.

A little teasing about the car's reputation as a redneck car or that SRA means it can't handle. Both of these things are obviously not true, so imo that's good natured ribbing.

As promised:

5.0

This car was a real surprise to me, and it doesn't really surprise me that most people still don't accept it for what it is. Check out the Motortrend videos where they stack it up against an M3 for a pretty good idea of what the car is about...then take one for a spin to get a REAL idea of the beast this car is.

The power is the first thing most people talk about on the car, and rightfully so. Over 400 hp and nearly 400 ft/lb of torque is nothing to sneeze at, and the car is a power monster. We are talking no-problem power-on oversteer on demand, "go" power that is only traction-limited, etc...but it is really not the major story with the car, at least in my opinion....

Why?

The handling prowess of the new 5.0 is absolutely, disgustingly amazing. The car bites in sharp, corners flat, and exits with as much power as you could hope for. Balance is incredibly neutral, meaning you are using all four tires at the limit (side note: this neutral handling is awesome for actual track use, generating great feel and response, but costs on skidpad grip, since it is (misleadingly) done in a throttle-on state)

Even relative to my Z with the best alignment I could find for it (no front toe, 3* camber in the front, 2.5* in the rear), the Mustang holds its own. Against a stock alignment Z, the Mustang bites in far harder and seems much more eager to dig into a turn, belying its obesity.

The 6 speed trans is very impressive. The 5 speeds available in previous 'stangs got the job done, but never impressed me much. The trans in my 5.0 is a slick unit with fantastic feel.

Of course, as with any car, it is not all peaches and cream. The most obvious complaints with the mustang are the looks (subjective), interior(subjective), and the rear suspension.

I've got no problem with the first two. I don't mind either, and they are lower on my priority list anyways-- I'm driving the car, not looking at it. Other people who have different priorities may feel differently, and since they are subjective anyway, no sense giving you my opinion. Take a look at one and judge for yourself.

Now onto talking about suspension, where I bring up the issues created by the solid rear...wait....

The car catches a lot of flak for the SRA, but in my 6k or so miles, I've found it to be a non-issue, not having upset it once on the street. In contrast, the 07 mustang that I test drove a while back was a legitimately scary experience that resulted in me swearing off the S197 for a while. In my opinion (and corroborated by several other drivers), the mustang SRA is more stable than the bump-steer-prone 370z multi-link for street use, which means you won't run into any problems.

The real "issue" with the rear is a pair of floaty dampers that get flighty when cornering over 90mph. Swapping them out for Koni Yellow's seems to address that, although I am still on stock suspension and have no issues driving quite spiritedly (on the street). For high speed track use, swap them.

The Mustang also feels "big." I actually hated it the first time I drove it. The car is huge, and it is a completely different feel from the Z. I can say you do get used to it (and this is coming from a guy who wondered if he would ever get used to the ridiculous size of the 370z). Do I wish the car was smaller/lighter? Sure, but it notably outhandles a variety of lighter cars, so I am pretty happy with it.

Steering feel is pretty bland as well. Not impressed with it, but at the same time not tremendously bothered by it.




The brembo package is a must. In addition to the great looking wheels/brakes, the car stops faster than sport package Z, rocks some excellent Pzeros all around, and includes some slightly revised spring rates, traction control tuning, etc. It's freaking great.

Overall,* I freaking love this car, and it kind of annoys me that it was introduced without a lot of separation from the previous gen mustang-- it catches a lot of flak from ignorant people who don't understand the revisions that have been made....on the other hand, the community is full of enthusiasts (similar to the way the 370z community used to be), which is always a great perk with a car. Barring anything catastrophic, I see myself actually keeping this car for quite a while--which will be quite a change for me. Who knows how that will actually turn out though....

Cliff notes:
Neutral handling is sweet
tons of power
steering is bland
rear dampers are floaty

sorry i just watched the video but holly shitt. Thats tons of power.

Aside from the 370/5.0 comparisson...

How is it compared to your (I'm assuming) fully built s2k? I'd like to see that...

Basically, IF one was to fully mod a Z to full track worthiness, how do you think it would compare?

Soo... can we keep this thread open now?

please do. That mustang is crazy. Wondering how the hell its able to keep all that power.

It was reopened awhile back by one of the mods.

inorite? It made me almost want to build another drag car

It's really hard to say. My S was not really set up to optimize circuit track performance, just to make power and lay it down, whereas every mod I made on my Z was focused on improving feel. I imagine it would be hard to set up an s2k that could keep up with a fully prepped FI Z, provided you could find a way to dispose of all the heat in the Z's engine bay.

I sense an underwater Z in the future... :icon08:


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