would you pay 100K for a hyundai?

baldie · 07-27-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I would also point out that the GT-R's transmission had no predecessor, and their failures showed it.

Further, Nissan was pioneering Ford's technology for them regarding the engine in the GT-R, referencing the cylinder "lining". I am unaware of any production Ford vehicle that actually used this plasma transfer process as early as the GT-R. Is anyone else?

From what I read a few months back, the 2011 GT500 was the first car Ford used it on, but had been researched by them since the early 90's.

AlphaSnacks · 07-27-2011, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by DjSquall

GT-R or take the bus.

I'm never going to stoop down to the Hyundai level no matter what their performance numbers are

But you stooped down to a lowly Datsun, which weren't exactly viewed in the best of lights in the 60s and 70s.

AlphaSnacks · 07-27-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

The GT-R uses the AWD attesa system that was improved upon with subsequent iterations of the previous skyline GT-R. The GT-R's VQ engine is an improvement over a VQ engine series that has been on Wards 10 best engine list since the beginning minus 1 or 2 years. Just because a platform or name change occurs, doesn't mean you throw out the experience Nissan has had building a sports car for 50+ years.

But like I said, good for Hyundai for attempting. Everyone has to start somewhere. I applaud their effort and hope they come up with a good car.

There is no VQ in the GT-R. The VR38 and the VQ share absolutely nothing in common.

Rui Z · 07-27-2011, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Arnold K.

There is no VQ in the GT-R. The VR38 and the VQ share absolutely nothing in common.

You're right, it is a VR engine. But my point was that even though the name changes don't you think Nissan learned alot from the VQ engine? Do you think Nissan would have been able to build a VR engine without previous experience from the VQ engine?

daisuke149 · 07-27-2011, 07:39 PM

so korean companies can def not make a nice car on their first try.

Video: Proto Spirra S super car runs with Lamborghinis - Top Speed

VIDEO: More on the Korean supercar named Spirra

FL 4Motion · 07-27-2011, 09:03 PM

[QUOTE=ImportConvert;1232175]I agree. People are going to look to the Genesis to see how Hyundai has been doing. So far, it has slotted in beneath it's competitors. Maybe they are going to rely on decisively superior 'ring times/magazine numbers and first-impression upon seeing the interior?[/QUOTE]

they're going to have to. What else will they be able to bring to the table? No competitive racing pedigree ala corvette, porsche, GTR; no name brank recognition (same examples). they will have to soley rely on having an honest to goodness awesome example of automotive engineering.

Honestly, i don't think they'll get it 100% right on the first try, but if they get 85-90% of the way there, they'll def put everyone on notice since their next gen will def be a huge step up if their history is any indication.

b1adesofcha0s · 07-27-2011, 09:18 PM

[QUOTE=FL 4Motion;1233610]

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I agree. People are going to look to the Genesis to see how Hyundai has been doing. So far, it has slotted in beneath it's competitors. Maybe they are going to rely on decisively superior 'ring times/magazine numbers and first-impression upon seeing the interior?[/QUOTE]

they're going to have to. What else will they be able to bring to the table? No competitive racing pedigree ala corvette, porsche, GTR; no name brank recognition (same examples). they will have to soley rely on having an honest to goodness awesome example of automotive engineering.

Honestly, i don't think they'll get it 100% right on the first try, but if they get 85-90% of the way there, they'll def put everyone on notice since their next gen will def be a huge step up if their history is any indication.

Pretty much what's happening with the Genesis coupe.

Isamu · 07-29-2011, 06:56 AM

they need to include a 10 year maintanence package... f yea!

Armonster · 07-29-2011, 10:24 AM

Hyundai could make a car that was well worth 100k, if it wanted to. It all depends on how much time, energy, and money they choose to spend on R&D and development. With enough money you can basically build anything.

AlphaSnacks · 07-29-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

You're right, it is a VR engine. But my point was that even though the name changes don't you think Nissan learned alot from the VQ engine? Do you think Nissan would have been able to build a VR engine without previous experience from the VQ engine?

Yes. It took Nissan 8 years to develop the GT-R. And Nissan has had great motors long before the VQ - the VG and even VE were indestructible. It's not like in one fell swoop Nissan knew exactly what kind of motor to design and use for the GT-R. It took countless changes and many years.

daisuke149 · 07-29-2011, 02:37 PM

one question. why is everyone assuming that since the company hasnt built one, that none of the engineers have been part of super car projects?

that none of the companies they consult with have any experience.

Hyundai has worked with Porsche and the Ferrari outfitters before... And its not unhread of that companies collaborate or share ideas/technology even with competition?

Jus sayin..

ChipsWithDips · 07-29-2011, 03:05 PM

All perceptions of hyundai as a brand aside, I wouldn't pay 100k for that because IT'S ******* HIDEOUS!

Alchemy · 07-29-2011, 03:32 PM

^ d i t t o ! ! !

daisuke149 · 07-29-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ChipsWithDips

All perceptions of hyundai as a brand aside, I wouldn't pay 100k for that because IT'S ******* HIDEOUS!

im glad you pulled up a 2004 concept car.

nearly every pure concept car ever made is hidious.

ChipsWithDips · 07-29-2011, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by daisuke149

im glad you pulled up a 2004 concept car.

nearly every pure concept car ever made is hidious.

Don't blame me, it's the image from the article linked in the OP.

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FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	[QUOTE=ImportConvert;1232175]I agree. People are going to look to the Genesis to see how Hyundai has been doing. So far, it has slotted in beneath it's competitors. Maybe they are going to rely on decisively superior 'ring times/magazine numbers and first-impression upon seeing the interior?[/QUOTE] they're going to have to. What else will they be able to bring to the table? No competitive racing pedigree ala corvette, porsche, GTR; no name brank recognition (same examples). they will have to soley rely on having an honest to goodness awesome example of automotive engineering. Honestly, i don't think they'll get it 100% right on the first try, but if they get 85-90% of the way there, they'll def put everyone on notice since their next gen will def be a huge step up if their history is any indication.

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Armonster Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 270 Drives: 2010 370z t/sp/6mt Rep Power: 14	Hyundai could make a car that was well worth 100k, if it wanted to. It all depends on how much time, energy, and money they choose to spend on R&D and development. With enough money you can basically build anything.

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daisuke149 My *** is famous! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 4,849 Drives: 2013 Boss 302 PW Rep Power: 31	one question. why is everyone assuming that since the company hasnt built one, that none of the engineers have been part of super car projects? that none of the companies they consult with have any experience. Hyundai has worked with Porsche and the Ferrari outfitters before... And its not unhread of that companies collaborate or share ideas/technology even with competition? Jus sayin..

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ChipsWithDips Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 279 Drives: '11 Gunmetal 370Z MT Rep Power: 14	All perceptions of hyundai as a brand aside, I wouldn't pay 100k for that because IT'S ******* HIDEOUS!