2012 gt600?

Lemers · 06-15-2011, 10:11 AM

I was only talking about bulk sales not performance. I agree that Nissan is keeping the Z out of "GTR" territory. So the only territory left is lower end and that lower price would also increase sales. Although a Z V6TT would increase sales it won't get them to 30k.

If they did make a 4 cly Z I wouldn't have gotten it. I still would have gotten the V6. Same if I went with the camaro or mustang; I would have gotten the GT or SS.

shadoquad · 06-15-2011, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

I was only talking about bulk sales not performance. I agree that Nissan is keeping the Z out of "GTR" territory. So the only territory left is lower end and that lower price would also increase sales. Although a Z V6TT would increase sales it won't get them to 30k.

If they did make a 4 cly Z I wouldn't have gotten it. I still would have gotten the V6. Same if I went with the camaro or mustang; I would have gotten the GT or SS.

Well, yeah, if you want the Z to be a volume car, then you would have to make it more economical. I agree. You'd have to make it more practical for it to sell.

But that's if you want to go that direction. As far as Nissan goes, Altimas and Versas sell like hotcakes. That's their go-to for volume sales. But I think if they stuffed a warrantied TT V6 in the Z, making it come closer to GTR performance, it could compete with the Americans, and its sales in the performance category could pick up and maybe preclude them from killing it for another extended period of time. I don't know for sure, that's just my gut.

m4a1mustang · 06-15-2011, 10:22 AM

It doesn't need to be practical to be a volume car like the 350 was. You just need the right market conditions.

shadoquad · 06-15-2011, 10:25 AM

I want a Z that can compete with this Shelby. (nice segue, no?)

Let's get some crazy Gran Turismo tuning in a Z and have it crank 600hp with just bolt-ons

Edit: See, just get the power up, since the IRS in the Z will make it corner better than the SRA in the shelbystang.

Lemers · 06-15-2011, 10:54 AM

Not sure how many 550 HP TT Zs that Nissan can sell for $48k to $60k

shadoquad · 06-15-2011, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Not sure how many 550 HP TT Zs that Nissan can sell for $48k to $60k

Again, you're bringing sales into it. I don't want the car to sell, I want it to fly.

I'm trying to veer this back onto the topic of the Shelbystang, though, honestly. That car's a monster. It's not a volume seller for Ford. It's a brute. Probably slightly below a GTR in terms of performance, although I'm open to low ring times if they should pop up.

Lemers · 06-15-2011, 11:10 AM

Sales are a big part in determining if a project like the Shelbystang gets greenlighted. I would love to see an AWD Shelby to see what it can do.

shadoquad · 06-15-2011, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Sales are a big part in determining if a project like the Shelbystang gets greenlighted. I would love to see an AWD Shelby to see what it can do.

Sales are a part of it, but not just the shelby's sales numbers, but more importantly the halo car effect. Much like Corvettes and GTR's, this is the car that guys salivate over that get them into the showroom, even if their wife is looking for a grocery getter. This is the car that sits there while the guy salivates over it, and his wife buys a focus or edge or what-have-you, over the similarly priced/equipped cruze/sentra or traverse/murano. The Shelby's most important feature is how it looks on paper and how it looks sitting under showroom lights. And eventually an enthusiast with more money than brains (like me, minus the money part) will come swoop it up from its place of resting.

Gunzero · 06-15-2011, 03:43 PM

^ indeed

Armonster · 06-16-2011, 10:06 PM

They really have ruined the back end of the modern mustang. It used to have such an attractive rear end, when it was younger:

Lemers · 06-16-2011, 11:17 PM

That's what happens when you get old and fat

m4a1mustang · 06-17-2011, 07:47 AM

That happened to almost all the cars. Look at a 240Z compared to a 370. As time goes by cars get bigger and bigger to comply with all the safety regs.

Lemers · 06-17-2011, 08:40 AM

Those damn safety laws. Always screwing up a perfectly good sport car.

m4a1mustang · 06-17-2011, 09:19 AM

Yup. It seems like sports cars weigh at least 1,000 lbs heavier than they did when they were first introduced. The '65 Mustangs ranged from 2400-2800 lbs depending on configuration. The 240Z's were under 2400lbs.

My how the times have changed.

Lemers · 06-17-2011, 10:03 AM

But they had less factory HP too.

06-15-2011, 10:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	I was only talking about bulk sales not performance. I agree that Nissan is keeping the Z out of "GTR" territory. So the only territory left is lower end and that lower price would also increase sales. Although a Z V6TT would increase sales it won't get them to 30k. If they did make a 4 cly Z I wouldn't have gotten it. I still would have gotten the V6. Same if I went with the camaro or mustang; I would have gotten the GT or SS. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-15-2011, 10:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	It doesn't need to be practical to be a volume car like the 350 was. You just need the right market conditions. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	I want a Z that can compete with this Shelby. (nice segue, no?) Let's get some crazy Gran Turismo tuning in a Z and have it crank 600hp with just bolt-ons Edit: See, just get the power up, since the IRS in the Z will make it corner better than the SRA in the shelbystang. Last edited by shadoquad; 06-15-2011 at 10:56 AM.

06-15-2011, 10:54 AM	#5 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	Not sure how many 550 HP TT Zs that Nissan can sell for $48k to $60k __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-15-2011, 11:10 AM	#7 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	Sales are a big part in determining if a project like the Shelbystang gets greenlighted. I would love to see an AWD Shelby to see what it can do. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-15-2011, 03:43 PM	#9 (permalink)
Gunzero Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 889 Drives: Nissan 370z Rep Power: 259	^ indeed __________________

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Armonster Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 270 Drives: 2010 370z t/sp/6mt Rep Power: 15	They really have ruined the back end of the modern mustang. It used to have such an attractive rear end, when it was younger:

06-16-2011, 11:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	That's what happens when you get old and fat __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-17-2011, 07:47 AM	#12 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	That happened to almost all the cars. Look at a 240Z compared to a 370. As time goes by cars get bigger and bigger to comply with all the safety regs. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-17-2011, 08:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	Those damn safety laws. Always screwing up a perfectly good sport car. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

06-17-2011, 09:19 AM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	Yup. It seems like sports cars weigh at least 1,000 lbs heavier than they did when they were first introduced. The '65 Mustangs ranged from 2400-2800 lbs depending on configuration. The 240Z's were under 2400lbs. My how the times have changed. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-17-2011, 10:03 AM	#15 (permalink)
Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 53	But they had less factory HP too. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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