Lookin at the Shelby

Dark Sarcasm · 05-31-2011, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I think the GT500 is just a few points shy of greatness.

-155mph speed limiter is kinda lame
-nearly 30# 2-piece driveshaft? Fail
-They STILL have transmission issues
-285's out back when they lay down 485 to the tires!?
-Solid rear-axle and no Fays setup?

However, in its defense...

-485whp!!!
-Fully forged and nearly bulletproof motor!
-Very nice interior/NAV setup!
-RECARO's!!!

Well said.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Wrong. There are tons of mustangs, so I agree on that point. However, Viper production is EXTREMELY low. What is it, 20-25K cars produced...since 1992? It is a rare car, and it has the power and handling to land it among the best. True supercar.

I guess I consider the Viper, GT500, and Vette ZR1 to be American Muscle cars and not Supercars. Although the ZR1 is very very close.

Lug · 05-31-2011, 12:06 PM

I'm starting to understand "porsche" logic more and more thanks to this fine thread.

nuTinmuch · 05-31-2011, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lug

I'm starting to understand "porsche" logic more and more thanks to this fine thread.

Same here.

ImportConvert · 06-01-2011, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm

Well said.

I guess I consider the Viper, GT500, and Vette ZR1 to be American Muscle cars and not Supercars. Although the ZR1 is very very close.

The GT500 is a muscle car, and the Z06/Corvette/GS/ are sports cars. The ZR1 and Viper are produced in sufficiently low quantity and have the numbers performance-wise that they are rare, and very capable. To me, this means they are supercars.

0-60 in the mid 3-second range.

Total production of 1-2000 a year on average.

Lemers · 06-01-2011, 01:09 AM

I think the viper lacks the refinement of a supercar. I put it in the highend corvette relm. I still wouldn't put it in the same category as the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG or Audi R8 or Most Ferraris or Lamborghinis

Isamu · 06-01-2011, 01:58 AM

this brings into question then, the term exotic...

are all exotics super cars? or are all super cars exotics?

it's all subjective in nature... like whats a sports car...

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Supercar is a term used most often to describe an expensive high end car. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car". Stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own
However, the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. So-called vehicles are typically out of the ordinary and are marketed by automakers to be perceived by the public as unusual. The supercar can take many forms including limited production specials from an "elite" automaker, standard looking cars made by mainstream companies that hide massive power and performance, as well as models that appeal to "hardcore enthusiasts" from "manufacturers on the fringe of the car industry."

Isamu · 06-01-2011, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

I think the viper lacks the refinement of a supercar. I put it in the highend corvette relm. I still wouldn't put it in the same category as the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG or Audi R8 or Most Ferraris or Lamborghinis

someone at a porsche dealership once told me it had to be at or above 200$ to qualify for a super car...

MC · 06-01-2011, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

someone at a porsche dealership once told me it had to be at or above 200$ to qualify for a super car...

everyone knows its $100K

Isamu · 06-01-2011, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MC

everyone knows its $100K

Lemers · 06-01-2011, 08:07 AM

I'm sure at one time $100k car was a good indicator, but know there are too many so even though there is no set dollar amount I'd say $100k cars are too "common" and to be a supercar the price needs to be pretty "exclusive".

Lemers · 06-01-2011, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

this brings into question then, the term exotic...

are all exotics super cars? or are all super cars exotics?

it's all subjective in nature... like whats a sports car...

I wouldn't say that...but I would say that most American cars are too common to qualify.

As for american made the one the pops into mind is the ford GT. I would call it a super car.

Isamu · 06-01-2011, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

I wouldn't say that...but I would say that most American cars are too common to qualify.

As for american made the one the pops into mind is the ford GT. I would call it a super car.

I would agree... its much more rare then say a viper...

Its like the gallardo.. or the 360 spyder...I don't consider either of them to be "super cars" meh...

m4a1mustang · 06-01-2011, 09:12 AM

I don't consider anything to be a supercar unless it's a generally ridiculous car in both performance and price. The Veyron is a supercar.

I don't look at cars like the Lamborghini Gallardo, Merc SLS, etc. as supercars. Just high-end sports cars.

I think a lot of it depends on where you live, as well. In the Tysons Corner / McLean / Leesburg / Great Falls / Fairfax area of Northern VA when you see a Gallardo or 430 (and even the 458 now) the immediate reaction is, "cool, another one."

Lemers · 06-01-2011, 09:22 AM

I've seen 1 SLS and that was 500 miles away. Any lambo is very rare for me and the garden spots that the Army sends me to. The Ford GT was produced for a whopping 2 yrs so it is rare.

m4a1mustang · 06-01-2011, 09:26 AM

Yeah I don't see many Ford GTs around here. I've seen a handful driving around in the last few years. My client of my girlfriend's owns one and she's been trying to get him to bring it out to our local sports car meets.

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Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	I'm sure at one time $100k car was a good indicator, but know there are too many so even though there is no set dollar amount I'd say $100k cars are too "common" and to be a supercar the price needs to be pretty "exclusive". __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I don't consider anything to be a supercar unless it's a generally ridiculous car in both performance and price. The Veyron is a supercar. I don't look at cars like the Lamborghini Gallardo, Merc SLS, etc. as supercars. Just high-end sports cars. I think a lot of it depends on where you live, as well. In the Tysons Corner / McLean / Leesburg / Great Falls / Fairfax area of Northern VA when you see a Gallardo or 430 (and even the 458 now) the immediate reaction is, "cool, another one." __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 52	I've seen 1 SLS and that was 500 miles away. Any lambo is very rare for me and the garden spots that the Army sends me to. The Ford GT was produced for a whopping 2 yrs so it is rare. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Yeah I don't see many Ford GTs around here. I've seen a handful driving around in the last few years. My client of my girlfriend's owns one and she's been trying to get him to bring it out to our local sports car meets. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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