2012 GTR smokes the LFA in a drag race

theDreamer · 04-15-2011, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Hey MC, any news on if the GTR will ever come with a traditional manual tranny? I'd be driving one right now if it weren't for the DSG.

The R35 will never have a standard manual.

BLM · 04-15-2011, 04:22 PM

Yeah, it's too much power. You can't shift fast enough.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-15-2011, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Yeah, it's too much power. You can't shift fast enough.

shadoquad · 04-15-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The R35 will never have a standard manual.

Most supercars are moving away from them because autos can simply shift faster.

But sports cars should always come with an optional MT, imo.

Zerafian · 04-15-2011, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

It's all a matter of priorities. The LF-A is exclusive. It definitely has the presence, as it's a richer-than-rich-boy toy.

But the GTR can fight it at the track for a fraction of the cost.

Similar to a Vette taking on a Ferrari. If tuned properly, maybe the Vette pulls the Ferrari at a track, but then when you drive them both into town, everyone ooh's and ah's over the Italian, because Vettes are cheaper and more common.

Couldnt have said it better myself.

280z/300zx · 04-16-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

Yeah, it's too much power. You can't shift fast enough.

Plenty of other sports cars with high amounts of hp come with a manual and shift just fine. Example, ZR1. I don't care if I'm a couple tenths slower compared to a DSG, just offer a manual tranny. I mean Nissan is going after Porsche and yet Porsche offers both DSG and traditional manual with the 911 turbo. Oh well, guess I'll hold out for the C7 for now

BLM · 04-16-2011, 09:45 AM

I definitely prefer a manual to any paddle gearbox but what you need to consider with the GTR is that it's 480-530 bhp out of the box and can make 600+ with bolt-ons and a tune. The other issue is that it's a true awd system so you won't be getting much if any wheelspin off the line or on the lower gear upshifts. Therefore having a true dual clutch auto is definitely the way to go for max performance.

As a reference, most of the very high HP supras (and other cars approaching 1000 HP) that are built for the 1/4 usually have a 3 speed dog box or powerglide trans set-up. Anything else would be impossible to get off the line without a ton of spin and also shifting would be a nightmare. The AMS alpha 9 GTR ran 9.9 @ 141 on 93 octane and the Alpha 12 ran 9.1 @ 159 I believe. These are with the stock 6 speed DCT. So the GTR really is a supercar in every respect. Not to mention, if you happen to upgrade to monstrous HP levels and you get stuck in traffic you can always just flip it over to auto.

Anything over 400 HP that's rwd takes a lot of skill and knowledge of the car to drive effectively with a manual gearbox.

HKYStormFront · 04-17-2011, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 280z/300zx

Plenty of other sports cars with high amounts of hp come with a manual and shift just fine. Example, ZR1. I don't care if I'm a couple tenths slower compared to a DSG, just offer a manual tranny. I mean Nissan is going after Porsche and yet Porsche offers both DSG and traditional manual with the 911 turbo. Oh well, guess I'll hold out for the C7 for now

while i do prefer traditional manual transmissions, in a car like the GTR having the DSG style gear box is very advantageous in many ways. it works really well (yes i've driven one) and it lets the driver focus on throttle, steering, and brake inputs while in spirited or track driving. this makes the car safer in all situations mostly because both hands can stay on the wheel at all times, therefore less likely for you to make a mistake (it happens to the best of us). the transmission is very responsive and if you want a downshift, it will give it to you. it's not like the old auto trans with "manumatic" function where it took .5-1 second to downshift or upshift. during my time behind the wheel of the R35, when it hit the paddle to shift, the car was completely shifted and back in the power before i even left off the paddle. it's faster than the blink of an eye. yes rowing your own gears is still fun but for a really high end performance car that you intend to drive at or close to the limits, i'd rather have the DSG

kenchan · 04-17-2011, 04:50 PM

LOL at toyota. sounds good though.

Jamaica · 04-17-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HKYStormFront

while i do prefer traditional manual transmissions, in a car like the GTR having the DSG style gear box is very advantageous in many ways. it works really well (yes i've driven one) and it lets the driver focus on throttle, steering, and brake inputs while in spirited or track driving. this makes the car safer in all situations mostly because both hands can stay on the wheel at all times, therefore less likely for you to make a mistake (it happens to the best of us). the transmission is very responsive and if you want a downshift, it will give it to you. it's not like the old auto trans with "manumatic" function where it took .5-1 second to downshift or upshift. during my time behind the wheel of the R35, when it hit the paddle to shift, the car was completely shifted and back in the power before i even left off the paddle. it's faster than the blink of an eye. yes rowing your own gears is still fun but for a really high end performance car that you intend to drive at or close to the limits, i'd rather have the DSG

I agree.

Nitrouz · 04-17-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Trust me, I'd be grinning from ear to ear with either one. It's like choosing which supermodel you'd rather sleep with.

you show me a supermodel and I'll show you a guy who's tired of that bod.

Been there done that. So I'd rather have the LFA.

Jamaica · 04-17-2011, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitrouz

you show me a supermodel and I'll show you a guy who's tired of that bod.

Been there done that. So I'd rather have the LFA.

If i married a rich old lady...ill be right there with u

Nitrouz · 04-17-2011, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamaica@UAMotorsports

If i married a rich old lady...ill be right there with u

If you marry a rich old lady, don't forget your boy here and pass her along. You can take half, I'll just take half of half (1/4)...lol...

Jamaica · 04-17-2011, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitrouz

If you marry a rich old lady, don't forget your boy here and pass her along. You can take half, I'll just take half of half (1/4)...lol...

ill drive from cali to pick you up then we drive back to you can meet here...then ill leave her then its yoru turn lol

04-15-2011, 04:22 PM	#47 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	Yeah, it's too much power. You can't shift fast enough. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

04-16-2011, 09:45 AM	#52 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	I definitely prefer a manual to any paddle gearbox but what you need to consider with the GTR is that it's 480-530 bhp out of the box and can make 600+ with bolt-ons and a tune. The other issue is that it's a true awd system so you won't be getting much if any wheelspin off the line or on the lower gear upshifts. Therefore having a true dual clutch auto is definitely the way to go for max performance. As a reference, most of the very high HP supras (and other cars approaching 1000 HP) that are built for the 1/4 usually have a 3 speed dog box or powerglide trans set-up. Anything else would be impossible to get off the line without a ton of spin and also shifting would be a nightmare. The AMS alpha 9 GTR ran 9.9 @ 141 on 93 octane and the Alpha 12 ran 9.1 @ 159 I believe. These are with the stock 6 speed DCT. So the GTR really is a supercar in every respect. Not to mention, if you happen to upgrade to monstrous HP levels and you get stuck in traffic you can always just flip it over to auto. Anything over 400 HP that's rwd takes a lot of skill and knowledge of the car to drive effectively with a manual gearbox. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

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04-17-2011, 04:50 PM	#54 (permalink)
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