2012 Camaro
 

6.2L Supercharged V8 engine
Intercooled Eaton supercharger. All-aluminum V8 expected to have at least 550 horsepower. Blinding acceleration, top-end performance and proven reliability coexist happily under the hood

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But will they fix the awful front bumper and grill?

Or the awful steering wheel? Or interior? Or seating position? Or zero headroom? Or awful visibility, or...

dont stop!

That would be the ZL1 you are talking about, and it will still be overweight with a sub-par interior and so-so driving dynamics. They are decently comfortable though!

Chevy is saying the motor and SC will be the same as the setup on the CTS-V with similar numbers (this will be the ZL1). Chevy is also saying that they will later release a track pack car with an LS motor. The track pack car might be called the Z28.

this car will be in the BOSS 302 price bracket, if the numbers hold true and reflect performance then the Boss just became a huge subordinate

More like in the GT500 price bracket in which case the ZL1 starts off as a slight subordinate. :D

well i saw a BOSS 302 at the ford dealer when i was flirting with a 5.0:stirthepot: , and it was listed at 48k, they keep saying that the ZL1 is going to be about 47k...so am not to sure

The problem is the Boss is a NA V8 where the ZL1 is a supercharged V8.
The ZL1 will be paired against the GT500 or whatever Ford does next, GM is already scrambling to find something to compete against the Boss. Hence the reason they said the Z28 might live as a NA V8 soon.

The plan that I heard is that the ZL1 is to fight the Shelby Mustang, while the Z28 is more track focused and will fight the Boss. But I could be mistaken.

Could be, i usually see comparos in price brackets vs how they Modded but i think yall are right these are specifically meant for each other boss vs z28 shelby vs zl1

the 2013 GT500 will have 600+ hp and will utilize the same blower as the zl1 camaro. 2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500 Gets 600 Horsepower? News ? Car and Driver

The MSRP of the Boss is $40,145 according to Edmunds. The MSRP of the Shelby GT500 is about $49K. The Boss usually will have a dealer markup though I'v seen a few people order them for MSRP already. The GT500 has about the same HP as the ZR1 and is significantly lighter.

Totally false.

550bhp is not "about the same" as 638.

3750# is not lighter than 3350#.

ZR1 owns the GT500 in everything but cost and off-road ground clearance, lol

We'll see about that one, MT will do a comparo and I got my money on the fact that the GT500 will still beat it in every tested event.

it will still probably be fugly...
but decent numbers and price

Fail. He obviously meant ZL1, ImportConvert. Given the thread title you should have noticed this. Cut the guy some slack. :)

Yep, just one tiny misplaced letter and I-R-A-putz. :(


:D

I actually like the way the new ZL1 looks. It is too heavy but the supercharger will help it in the straights. It’s getting a magnetic ride like the Corvette it will be interesting to see how it helps in the handling department. But I am really interested in seeing what GM has in store for the Z28. If it's competition is the Boss 302 GM is going to have to shave some weight off that pig and put in some serious handling bits. Got to love the competition though both GM and Ford customers reap the benefits.

You're right. I came in and looked at the last few posts and made mine. I thought somewhere the thread had been de-railed into the typical "GT500 vs. Corvette" topic.

My fault for not reading the whole thing before I posted, and I just let it stand afterward.

I think we can both place the blame on Cheverolet for not differentiating their product lines more thouroughly. I'm also thinking about a class-action suit once people start mistakenly buying Corvettes instead of Camaros. :mad:

But can it negotiate a corner?

It will probably out-perform the 370Z at VIR.

you are wrong.
 

there is a new Boss in town.

The ZL1 has to come in at much less than the $50k estimate

wait for the comparison test :driving:

I want the Ford

badly

I'm a total GM fan, but Ford nailed it with the new 5.0 car. If I were buying a car in that market segment, it would be the mustang.

The regular SS already does...

i think someone mentioned it but it does say MSRP is 40k on a Boss mustang

Not sure on a GT500. when they changed to the aluminum block in the GT500 it finally got decent handling reviews.

Im not a fan of the new camero, it does look pretty good and they sell great but just not a drivers car. I like the feel of my Z.

I would love to drive one of these new Boss' though. When will Ford stop acting like Porsche and change the rear suspension from live axle to a independent setup. How much better would the car be??

On track... not really that much better at all. On the street, depending on how good the IRS setup is, the car would handle rough pavement better. But otherwise it doesn't matter all that much.

Though I think it's been confirmed that the next generation Mustangs are going to be a few hundred lbs lighter than current and will be equipped with IRS.

see now im not going to want to buy yours.....:stirthepot:

Don't we have a great car. I love my Z and haven't driven it to full potential yet. There is nothing on the market yet that I would go trade for. But thanks for keeping us up to date on what else is out there.

Well, I'm probably going to buy a next gen just because. You can have that one after I have it for ~18 months.

I need to find an intermediary willing to hold it for 30 days then get an Altima, though. :bowrofl:

there is a guy who looks around 30 driving a white V8 vantage around town lately. Im sorry to say but the mustang might be put on hold unless you want to get one of those first..

Next time you come over for a weekend of debauchery we can talk about our next vehicle. :tup:

Agree. IRS is just about bumps. Sadly, real roads have bumps.

will we have time for that??

True, even a V6 mustang banging off the 114mph speed-limiter all the way down the straights is within 1/2 second of the 370Z NISMO around VIR.

There have only been a few times where I could feel a noticable difference over the bumps with the 5.0 vs. my 370. The road would have to be really bad... so bad that you wouldn't be driving fast on it in any car.

The difference really isn't that big.

Like I've said a few times before, not all IRS is created equal. Ever compare the Z to the Cayman S? There's quite a big difference in how the two cars perform over uneven surfaces.