the least expansive super car?
 

So i found this car the GTM by factory five on the internet recently and it sounds like an amazing deal. You can have everything done for around 35k-45k. For the price the performance specs are amazing IMO. I also think its not exactly the best looking car but defiantly something i wouldn't mind having.

GTM Supercar

Almost all kit cars are cheaper than any factory super cars.
Though really most kit cars just use the LSx engine series which helps cut down the cost a good bit.

That Chassis looks like it would collapse if you breathed on it. Not something I want to do over 100mph in.

C6 Z06 frame/chassis for comparison...

http://www.innotechcorvettes.com/wp-...-side-view.jpg

Yeah, cause everyone knows steel tubes are weak....:ugh2:

http://www.katechengines.com/street_...t/DSCF3746.JPG

The design is similar to cars like the Aerial Atom, just they made body panels for it.

Seriously? Do you have any idea how many types of motorsports use steel tubing?

The while thing about crashing that he brought up, do you guys know if its the same type of metal, velds and design is used as on the race cars?

Looks cool

Baby Jesus cries everytime you post.

Isn't there a Corvette or GM or LS forum you could post in? ugh.

It wouldnt be so bad if you just commented "That Chassis looks like it would collapse if you breathed on it. Not something I want to do over 100mph in."
but when you throw in a pic of a Z06 chassis (which probably wouldnt fair any better at 100mph) it just wreaks of impotence.

you avg 5 post a day and you dont own a 370.
Go away already.

I looked at this about two years ago. The new Gen 2 has lots of improvements since I last looked.
Over all very affordable

kit cars always are a good time, and a good deal for a fun car.

Maybe I'll do one when I retire.

Here are a few things I found on the second gen model
Vid explaining the changes
YouTube - Gen 2 GTM Overview
All the changes
Second Generation GTM

Cry me a river. I think you forgot the name of the forum you are in.

Steel tubing is nice, but I would rather a more substantial frame in addition. If steel tubing alone were so great then a lot of high end cars are being built wrong. The reason they use steel tubing is one of cost, not design superiority.

Rep for lawls

You get rep points. :tup:

check out the Ultima GTR, it's a cheap "super car" but its a kit car

Do you honestly believe that? High end cars are being built with carbon fiber and sheet metal because most high end customers don't want steel bars running across the cabin. High cost doesn't equal superiority. Ask any race team the strongest part of a racecar frame and they'll tell you its the roll cage. Don't get me wrong, modern canopy's can be built to be just as strong as steel tubing, Formula One yes, but not in a vette.

Nascar frame:
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/nascar-frame.jpg

Porsche GT3 R Hybrid
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_JpAzjGpfpp...r-interior.jpg

Last but not least, a 1.8 million dollar (est.) Pagani Zonda R
http://www.lotustalk.com/forums/atta...otoblog-4-.jpg

I just came
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naked Zonda's will do that. :icon18::bowrofl::roflpuke2:

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All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences.

One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area.

Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area.

If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact.

The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this: http://i1003.photobucket.com/albums/...Pagani-082.jpg
Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome.

All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door).

I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident.

The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured.

Yeah, you know I'm totally worried about getting t-boned when I hit the track.

It was probably the beautiful woven curves of the ceramic coated headers exiting that AMG V12 that put you over the edge.

Isn't the chassis something you build? It not like you can't reinforce the chassis with more bracing. It's probably in the doors anyways.

Are we talking about a "supercar" or a track slut?

The whole point of a car like this is track use.

that's why I would get it.. tho the occasional jaunt to a fancy resturant to pick up mad bitchs would be in order

Haha, true. It's not like it is any less safe than a motorcycle.

Square tubing can be just as strong as round tubing. It depends on the cross section and wall thickness.

Also, almost forgot the Ariel Atom
http://papipipu.edublogs.org/files/2...l-atom-r34.jpg

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My frame-based counterpoint (I am sure it had a cage in it, as well, though).

YouTube - Lamborghini Gallardo Twin-turbo crashes at Texas Mile

"If steel tubing alone were so great then a lot of high end cars are being built wrong. The reason they use steel tubing is one of cost, not design superiority"

Sorry, Import says hydroformed steel or Aluminum chassis is better. :)

Steel tube is no good :shakes head:

I race with a good number of the Factory Five cars, mostly the Challenge cars, a few mk 4's and a Daytona Coupe (it's a local company here). These are all designed around Ford engines and drivetrain and are an economical way to build a reliable track car that can take a pounding. These cars race wheel to wheel in the Challenge series, so crashing is a fact of life. From all the accidents I've seen these cars hold up very well.

my question.. whats an expansive supercar?

One that is long and wide and covering a large area.

^ bwahhahahahhaha

That's what I thought

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or perhapse all-encompassing in its performance attributes. My car feels "expansive" both when I drive it, and when I try to safely fit that thing in storage, lol