the least expansive super car?

CBRich · 03-21-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Sarcasm

Baby Jesus cries everytime you post.

Isn't there a Corvette or GM or LS forum you could post in? ugh.

It wouldnt be so bad if you just commented "That Chassis looks like it would collapse if you breathed on it. Not something I want to do over 100mph in."
but when you throw in a pic of a Z06 chassis (which probably wouldnt fair any better at 100mph) it just wreaks of impotence.

you avg 5 post a day and you dont own a 370.
Go away already.

You get rep points.

Isamu · 03-21-2011, 08:37 AM

check out the Ultima GTR, it's a cheap "super car" but its a kit car

Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Cry me a river. I think you forgot the name of the forum you are in.

Steel tubing is nice, but I would rather a more substantial frame in addition. If steel tubing alone were so great then a lot of high end cars are being built wrong. The reason they use steel tubing is one of cost, not design superiority.

Do you honestly believe that? High end cars are being built with carbon fiber and sheet metal because most high end customers don't want steel bars running across the cabin. High cost doesn't equal superiority. Ask any race team the strongest part of a racecar frame and they'll tell you its the roll cage. Don't get me wrong, modern canopy's can be built to be just as strong as steel tubing, Formula One yes, but not in a vette.

Nascar frame:

Porsche GT3 R Hybrid

Last but not least, a 1.8 million dollar (est.) Pagani Zonda R

Isamu · 03-21-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Last but not least, a 1.8 million dollar (est.) Pagani Zonda R

I just came
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Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

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naked Zonda's will do that.

Red__Zed · 03-21-2011, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

naked Zonda's will do that.

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ImportConvert · 03-21-2011, 01:00 PM

All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences.

One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area.

Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area.

If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact.

The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this:

Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome.

All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door).

I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident.

The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured.

Red__Zed · 03-21-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences.

One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area.

Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area.

If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact.

The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this:

Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome.

All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door).

I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident.

The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured.

Yeah, you know I'm totally worried about getting t-boned when I hit the track.

ChrisSlicks · 03-21-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

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It was probably the beautiful woven curves of the ceramic coated headers exiting that AMG V12 that put you over the edge.

Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 01:14 PM

Isn't the chassis something you build? It not like you can't reinforce the chassis with more bracing. It's probably in the doors anyways.

ImportConvert · 03-21-2011, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Yeah, you know I'm totally worried about getting t-boned when I hit the track.

Are we talking about a "supercar" or a track slut?

Red__Zed · 03-21-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Are we talking about a "supercar" or a track slut?

The whole point of a car like this is track use.

Isamu · 03-21-2011, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The whole point of a car like this is track use.

that's why I would get it.. tho the occasional jaunt to a fancy resturant to pick up mad bitchs would be in order

Red__Zed · 03-21-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

that's why I would get it.. tho the occasional jaunt to a fancy resturant to pick up mad bitchs would be in order

Haha, true. It's not like it is any less safe than a motorcycle.

Cmike2780 · 03-21-2011, 02:18 PM

Square tubing can be just as strong as round tubing. It depends on the cross section and wall thickness.

Also, almost forgot the Ariel Atom

03-21-2011, 01:00 PM	#22 (permalink)
ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7627	All those cars you posted pictures of, and the OP's first picture have some differences. One, the OP's car uses square "tubing" in the door area. Two, there are only 2 pieces of said square tubing with no cross-bracing by that door area. If some dillweed is going to hit you, it will probably be the worst from the side. OP's picture of the "frame" just doesn't inspire confidence in me regarding size-impact. The NASCAR looks bulletproof, and the GT3 as well, and is based on a frame of sorts. Huge X-bracing (tubular) by the doors. Like. The Zonda, well, your pictures didn't show this: Those seats are sitting low and behind some serious frame protection from the sides. Again, very awesome. All are much better than 2 pieces of squared steel "tubing" that have no crossbracing anywhere near the impact point that worries me most (driver/passenger door). I am not denying that tube chassis are not the bomb if done right (not as a cost-saver like in OP's photo and what I was referring to), just that I would rather have a 6" hydroformed steel or aluminum chassis rather than a small square tube between me and a T-bone incident. The car the OP posted and the Zonda, GT3, and NASCAR aren't even in the same league--and that was the point the OP was making. The car they posted was the least expensive "Supercar" to be had. The structure of it just doesn't inspire my confidence. Glad you all like it, though. I would rather have a perimeter frame car, or properly built tube chassis car like the others pictured. Last edited by ImportConvert; 03-21-2011 at 01:04 PM.

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Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Isn't the chassis something you build? It not like you can't reinforce the chassis with more bracing. It's probably in the doors anyways. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

03-21-2011, 02:18 PM	#30 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	Square tubing can be just as strong as round tubing. It depends on the cross section and wall thickness. Also, almost forgot the Ariel Atom __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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