2009 Nissan 370z vs 1996 Toyota Supra

BLM · 03-10-2011, 08:40 AM

As much as I love my Z i'd trade it for a stock supra if I could. The Supra is legendary, especially given the aftermarket available. BPU's easily make 450 whp. A single turbo swap on low boost and pump gas makes close to 600 whp with supporting mods. It's a one of a kind car. Now, if I had the $$ i'd probably still go for the GTR (similar 6 cyl twin turbo from factory) but the supra's are considerably cheaper. You can find them with built motors and single turbo set-ups on Ebay for $50k. Stock GTR is still 80-ish. However, once you start really bumping the power above 500 the Awd of the GTR will make up for the large initial price difference allowing you to put that power to the ground.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-...ht_2747wt_1168

This one is a bit much, but makes 550 whp on pump gas and is a gem. The guy is looking for $50k

There's others on there in mid 20's with BPU upgrades.

EDIT: OMG there's one on there with 31k miles!!! Only thing is you need to order a single turbo kit for it. The guy took the stock twins out and never finished his project. What a steal though for that car.

ImportConvert · 03-10-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

As much as I love my Z i'd trade it for a stock supra if I could. The Supra is legendary, especially given the aftermarket available. BPU's easily make 450 whp. A single turbo swap on low boost and pump gas makes close to 600 whp with supporting mods. It's a one of a kind car. Now, if I had the $$ i'd probably still go for the GTR (similar 6 cyl twin turbo from factory) but the supra's are considerably cheaper. You can find them with built motors and single turbo set-ups on Ebay for $50k. Stock GTR is still 80-ish.

Toyota : Supra - eBay (item 330539794515 end time Mar-18-11 06:24:08 PDT)

This one is a bit much, but makes 550 whp on pump gas and is a gem. The guy is looking for $50k

There's others on there in mid 20's with BPU upgrades.

The Supra is an incon, and I like them, but the looks are only so/so to me. I think the 300ZX TT and the C5 corvette look better, from that time period, assuming 100% stock vehicles. Same for the NSX. Tires are too tiny looking for the wide body.

BLM · 03-10-2011, 08:49 AM

There are some Best Motoring vids of the Honda NSX-R that show it beating an e92 M3, Rs4, and other cars with more than 100 bhp on it in a standing 1/4 miles. It's also one of the best, if not the best, cars to have on a road course. It's also on my list of dream cars.

Zaggeron · 03-10-2011, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I think you're doing it wrong...

But lets check this out:

Average Income in the United States (1913-2006) ? Visualizing Economics

Income in the mid 90's wasn't far or from income around 2006 (as good as my graph shows).

Now you brought up inflation.

So people are making LESS now (or in 2006...) than they were in 1996. Considering you make the same amount of even more worthless dollars now than then, as a whole.

Your inflation statement has cast just the opposite light on the situation than what you have intended.

Note the note in the paragraph before the graph

"It now includes data through 2006 (in 2006$)."

The numbers in the chart in your link have already been converted to 2006 dollars.

There's no denying that the Supra (and the 300zx, Rx-7, etc.) were expensive for their time. A 1994 (C4) Corvette had an MSRP in 1994 of 36k. So the Supra had a higher retail price at the time than the Corvette ...

Jeffblue · 03-10-2011, 09:13 AM

vettes have gotten more expensive, japanese sports cars have gotten less expensive.... what does that say about where each company is putting their engineering money

Zaggeron · 03-10-2011, 09:21 AM

^

Actually Corvettes have decreased in cost in terms of percentage of median income. The 2010 base Corvette has a MSRP of about 48K. That price is actually less expensive than 36K was in 1994.

But you are right in that the Zs and RXs, etc. are no longer competing in the same bracket as the Corvette. They certainly were direct competitors in the '90s

ImportConvert · 03-10-2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

There are some Best Motoring vids of the Honda NSX-R that show it beating an e92 M3, Rs4, and other cars with more than 100 bhp on it in a standing 1/4 miles. It's also one of the best, if not the best, cars to have on a road course. It's also on my list of dream cars.

Dunno what year that was, but the NSX I stomped didn't have anything for my stock, 150K mile old dinosaur of an LS1 f-body from a 70 hit on a Mexican highway.

ImportConvert · 03-10-2011, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

vettes have gotten more expensive, japanese sports cars have gotten less expensive.... what does that say about where each company is putting their engineering money

Extrapolated for inflation, a 1984 C4 vette costs $44K. The new 'vette costs $48K, and...

It is nearly 500% more rigid.
It has over 170% more power.
It still gets gets within 2mpg of it on the highway and identical mileage in the city.
It has a 5/100 powertrain warranty.

I would say the money is being spent well. Not bad for $4K.

ImportConvert · 03-10-2011, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

Note the note in the paragraph before the graph

"It now includes data through 2006 (in 2006$)."

The numbers in the chart in your link have already been converted to 2006 dollars.

There's no denying that the Supra (and the 300zx, Rx-7, etc.) were expensive for their time. A 1994 (C4) Corvette had an MSRP in 1994 of 36k. So the Supra had a higher retail price at the time than the Corvette ...

Well then at best (or worst, depending on whose side of this argument you are on) they cost the same.

Zaggeron · 03-10-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Well then at best (or worst, depending on whose side of this argument you are on) they cost the same.

Hmmm ... I don't know where you came up with that conclusion

The Supra had a higher base price in 1993 dollars than the 370z base price in 2009 dollars. So even if you don't adjust for inflation, the Supra is more expensive. If you actually adjust those dollars for the decreased buying power of today's dollar, the Supra is much more expensive.

Here are links to various inflation calcuators

Inflation Calculator: Bureau of Labor Statistics
The Inflation Calculator
Inflation Calculator | Find US Dollar's Value from 1913-2011

The first calculator from the Bureau of Labor Statistics states that $37,000 had the same buying power in 1994 as $55k has in 2011.

So a 1994 MKIV Supra with a base price of $37,000 would cost around $55K in today's dollars.

Actually I think the 37K base price from your original link was "estimated price". Here's a window sticker for a '95 TT version -- A whopping 48.7K

The '93 version was considerably cheaper but still had a base price of around 40k

Jeffblue · 03-10-2011, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Extrapolated for inflation, a 1984 C4 vette costs $44K. The new 'vette costs $48K, and...

It is nearly 500% more rigid.
It has over 170% more power.
It still gets gets within 2mpg of it on the highway and identical mileage in the city.
It has a 5/100 powertrain warranty.

I would say the money is being spent well. Not bad for $4K.

money well spent. my point was that gm is still putting a fair amount of money into engineering its sports cars, nissan seems to be the only japanese car that actually has sports cars, and then all the others have just abandoned them completely. oh wait, i forgot, toyota is spending a lot of money on engineering high performance cars.... the LFA, which no one can afford.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-10-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BLM

As much as I love my Z i'd trade it for a stock supra if I could. The Supra is legendary, especially given the aftermarket available. BPU's easily make 450 whp. A single turbo swap on low boost and pump gas makes close to 600 whp with supporting mods. It's a one of a kind car. Now, if I had the $$ i'd probably still go for the GTR (similar 6 cyl twin turbo from factory) but the supra's are considerably cheaper. You can find them with built motors and single turbo set-ups on Ebay for $50k. Stock GTR is still 80-ish. However, once you start really bumping the power above 500 the Awd of the GTR will make up for the large initial price difference allowing you to put that power to the ground.

Toyota : Supra - eBay (item 330539794515 end time Mar-18-11 06:24:08 PDT)

This one is a bit much, but makes 550 whp on pump gas and is a gem. The guy is looking for $50k

There's others on there in mid 20's with BPU upgrades.

EDIT: OMG there's one on there with 31k miles!!! Only thing is you need to order a single turbo kit for it. The guy took the stock twins out and never finished his project. What a steal though for that car.

You can get a used GT-R in the $60k range and even in the $50k range if you find a good deal on the GT-R forums.

TongMan · 03-11-2011, 09:27 AM

Gas was mad cheap back in the 90's though.

BLM · 03-11-2011, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Dunno what year that was, but the NSX I stomped didn't have anything for my stock, 150K mile old dinosaur of an LS1 f-body from a 70 hit on a Mexican highway.

US spec Acura NSX's are completely different and drastically underperformers compares to a Honda NSX-R. And these were standing 1/4 mile comparisons. Above 100 mph the aforementioned cars would surely pull on it by quite a bit due to their tremendous power advantages.

stifun · 05-29-2012, 04:37 PM

I actually own a 1997 Supra TT 6spd BPU+++ and I love the 370Z/Nismo and have driven them and they are amazing car's.

But I would never own one they make nice DD or track toy's but takes lot's of $$$$ to go fast FI and Superchargers kits are big bucks.

Now on my Supra when the stock twins go out I will replace with a T6766 turbo and be doing low 10's easy and faster if I desire so for me it was the Supra or nothing.

03-10-2011, 08:40 AM	#16 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	As much as I love my Z i'd trade it for a stock supra if I could. The Supra is legendary, especially given the aftermarket available. BPU's easily make 450 whp. A single turbo swap on low boost and pump gas makes close to 600 whp with supporting mods. It's a one of a kind car. Now, if I had the $$ i'd probably still go for the GTR (similar 6 cyl twin turbo from factory) but the supra's are considerably cheaper. You can find them with built motors and single turbo set-ups on Ebay for $50k. Stock GTR is still 80-ish. However, once you start really bumping the power above 500 the Awd of the GTR will make up for the large initial price difference allowing you to put that power to the ground. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1994-...ht_2747wt_1168 This one is a bit much, but makes 550 whp on pump gas and is a gem. The guy is looking for $50k There's others on there in mid 20's with BPU upgrades. EDIT: OMG there's one on there with 31k miles!!! Only thing is you need to order a single turbo kit for it. The guy took the stock twins out and never finished his project. What a steal though for that car. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK Last edited by BLM; 03-10-2011 at 08:47 AM.

03-10-2011, 08:49 AM	#18 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 14	There are some Best Motoring vids of the Honda NSX-R that show it beating an e92 M3, Rs4, and other cars with more than 100 bhp on it in a standing 1/4 miles. It's also one of the best, if not the best, cars to have on a road course. It's also on my list of dream cars. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK

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Zaggeron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,951 Drives: '10 370ZR '13 BRZ Rep Power: 18	^ Actually Corvettes have decreased in cost in terms of percentage of median income. The 2010 base Corvette has a MSRP of about 48K. That price is actually less expensive than 36K was in 1994. But you are right in that the Zs and RXs, etc. are no longer competing in the same bracket as the Corvette. They certainly were direct competitors in the '90s __________________ 2010 Platinum Graphite 370z Roadster:Touring/Sport 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited

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