Hyundai Coupe getting 333hp

6MT · 03-07-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunnos

So its confirmed, the Hyundai Genesis coupe will get 333 horsepower, 291 pound-feet of torque AND a new "face lift" (I wonder how much it will weight?). Looks like they are taking a direct shot at the 370z lineup.... One thing that Hyundai does well is copy other cars ( in terms of design ), the Genesis sedan looks exactly like Mercedes Benz. So lets hope they dont copy the Z when they go back to the drawing boards for the Genesis Coupe.........here is the article below

Spy Shots: Hyundai Genesis Coupe facelift on the way — Autoblog

Ok, but it's still a Hyundai.

shadoquad · 03-07-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cunnos

I understand that the Japanese are known for copying, but that still doesnt make it right. I personally feel that it is NOT good for competition. Some companies profit well from it, but from a consumer perspective or anyone that appreciates automobiles it does not move the automobile industry forward. Nissan got their design from previous Z's, 40 years of them being built, so I think that another car company coming in and stealing that design/tradition from a car is a slap in the face.....so as i said before I hope they dont do that.....plus I dont want people coming up to me asking me "Hey is that a Hyundai?"......

I think copying is ok for competition, as long as it isn't a direct ripoff. There is patent law out there to prevent direct copies from occurring.

Econ · 03-07-2011, 05:47 PM

the old one only weighed in at 3389lbs. even if they keep the same weight, with 333 hp, many consumers/magazines will be comparing these two cars...

im gonna need forced induction

Jordo! · 03-07-2011, 06:41 PM

What stands out to me is that it gained a whopping 15% more power from switching to DI (probably due, in part, to higher CR pistons being used?)!

If we extrapolate to the VQ motor, it could make 381 crank with DI.

For the coming FT-86, which will have a DI boxer, it means even the lackluster 2.0 that normally makes 170 bhp could make as much as 195 for starters.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-07-2011, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Econ

the old one only weighed in at 3389lbs. even if they keep the same weight, with 333 hp, many consumers/magazines will be comparing these two cars...

im gonna need forced induction

That's the 4banger that weighs 3389, the v6 is like 3480ish lbs on the track and around 3430ish on the 3.8 R-spec. Either way the genesis coupe is well under 3600lbs in both trims
The 4 banger will most likely be very close to 280hp and I know for sure 333hp is confirmed for the genesis sedan. I think the genesis coupe may be tuned into the 340's?? I say this only because the current genesis sedan 3.8 gets 290hp while the gencoupe gets 306/312prem. So it might get tuned a little further again into the 340-350range. MTspeculated the 6dct for the gencoupe this year and the 333hp is based on the 8 speed traditional auto. If the gencoupe gets DI and DCT, I would expect higher numbers for sure. One other thing, if the gencoupe makes minor suspension tweaks and widens the r spec and track tires along with that HP/TQ bump. Expect a hyundai to be serious comp and not the fly by night "Meh its a hyundai and not real sports car" many dismiss it as.
Anyway, the Z is my favorite car. I just hope that lackluster Z sales doesn't affect nissan in terms of making a more powerful Z. Honestly guys,I haven't heard anything about the Z except for a few sketches and some hybrid diesel crap. And that kinda news does nothing for enthusiasts.
I'm praying nissan does something for both Z and G. Honestly, the G37ipl is a joke. It should have been the G37s and sold at 46k max Instead of 51k max. Its decisions like these that will make nissan fall apart in the enthusiast segment. The skyline needs to be more skyline and less pseudo luxury.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-07-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That's the 4banger that weighs 3389, the v6 is like 3480ish lbs on the track and around 3430ish on the 3.8 R-spec. Either way the genesis coupe is well under 3600lbs in both trims
The 4 banger will most likely be very close to 280hp and I know for sure 333hp is confirmed for the genesis sedan. I think the genesis coupe may be tuned into the 340's?? I say this only because the current genesis sedan 3.8 gets 290hp while the gencoupe gets 306/312prem. So it might get tuned a little further again into the 340-350range. MTspeculated the 6dct for the gencoupe this year and the 333hp is based on the 8 speed traditional auto. If the gencoupe gets DI and DCT, I would expect higher numbers for sure. One other thing, if the gencoupe makes minor suspension tweaks and widens the r spec and track tires along with that HP/TQ bump. Expect a hyundai to be serious comp and not the fly by night "Meh its a hyundai and not real sports car" many dismiss it as.
Anyway, the Z is my favorite car. I just hope that lackluster Z sales doesn't affect nissan in terms of making a more powerful Z. Honestly guys,I haven't heard anything about the Z except for a few sketches and some hybrid diesel crap. And that kinda news does nothing for enthusiasts.
I'm praying nissan does something for both Z and G. Honestly, the G37ipl is a joke. It should have been the G37s and sold at 46k max Instead of 51k max. Its decisions like these that will make nissan fall apart in the enthusiast segment. The skyline needs to be more skyline and less pseudo luxury.

Nissan definitely needs to step it up if they want to stay competitive. I think there is a new version of the G37 coming for the 2012 model year. The IPL G37 was definitely a disappointment IMO. It's pretty much like a Nismo 370Z compared to a non-Nismo. They added a body kit and a little more power, should have just called it the G37 Nismo. It's not really competing with anything where it's at. It's nowhere near anything like BMW's M division or Mercedes AMG.

cfweber · 03-07-2011, 08:20 PM

It's never been a better time to be an enthusiast.

These are the best cars ever made ( with very few and very expensive exceptions)

Particularly in terms of bang for the buck this is just a great time.

We win no matter what.

If Nissan steps up we can hope wait and dream about the new Z

If not we own a rare Z and we mod

I'm glad Hyundai is pushing the competition

It's very good

Cunnos · 03-07-2011, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by bigdog1250

Good to see the competition stepping it up, hopefully the Z will counter in the upcoming years. Just because it has 2 more seats, doesn't mean it's not a competitor. People will be comparing performance and price more heavily than the number of seats.

Should make for an interesting bout in the upcoming years.

I completely agree, the GT-R has back seats too.

Cunnos · 03-07-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cfweber

It's never been a better time to be an enthusiast.

These are the best cars ever made ( with very few and very expensive exceptions)

Particularly in terms of bang for the buck this is just a great time.

We win no matter what.

If Nissan steps up we can hope wait and dream about the new Z

If not we own a rare Z and we mod

I'm glad Hyundai is pushing the competition

It's very good

I agree, the fact that they are making the Genesis Coupe with 333 hp is great for the next generation Z ( i just dont want it to look like a Z ). This puts pressure on Nissan to deliver on the next model, who knows we may end up seeing the next Z with a new engine, with more horsepower. Lets wait and see over the next few months, it would be great to hear about the next gen.

LuckyJinx · 03-07-2011, 08:55 PM

Same deal with Aero and Veyron. Aero made a car with 10hp more than then the veyron. And bugatti made another that's only 6hp more? I don't know the exact numbers. The gen coupe forums were always comparing their cars to ours.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-07-2011, 09:00 PM

Nissan also has cars like the Mustang 5.0 GT to worry about too. As much as anyone says they are two totally different cars, it doesn't change the fact that all of their sales are taking away from potential sales for the 370Z.

PapoZalsa · 03-07-2011, 09:16 PM

Move to other vehicle section!

b1adesofcha0s · 03-07-2011, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

Move to other vehicle section!

That does make more sense now that I think about it

ProfessorDave · 03-07-2011, 09:32 PM

Hey! Those are my 2001 Celica wheels! I was wondering where they went.

BLM · 03-07-2011, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Nissan definitely needs to step it up if they want to stay competitive. I think there is a new version of the G37 coming for the 2012 model year. The IPL G37 was definitely a disappointment IMO. It's pretty much like a Nismo 370Z compared to a non-Nismo. They added a body kit and a little more power, should have just called it the G37 Nismo. It's not really competing with anything where it's at. It's nowhere near anything like BMW's M division or Mercedes AMG.

If Nissan were to fit a v8 in the Z it would bump the price dramatically. I don't know where they'd get such a motor either. BMW has had highly tuned V8's for years. I'm sure the Nissan engineers could easily build a high revving v8 but it would take some time. And as sick as it would be, I doubt there's a way to put the GT-R motor in the Z. It would eliminate manual transmission as an option and would be nearly impossible to drive in stock trim with rwd. They'd need to add brembo/stop-tech brakes also to handle that power, which would also increase the price. A stage 1 GTM SC will put down nearly 400 whp for around $7500 installed, which would be around $40,000 total assuming a base sport model. You'll retain a tremendous amount of drivability and the linear powerband. I dont think there's much more nissan can do to make more than 350-360 bhp out of the box while maintaing the price range.

03-07-2011, 06:41 PM	#19 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	What stands out to me is that it gained a whopping 15% more power from switching to DI (probably due, in part, to higher CR pistons being used?)! If we extrapolate to the VQ motor, it could make 381 crank with DI. For the coming FT-86, which will have a DI boxer, it means even the lackluster 2.0 that normally makes 170 bhp could make as much as 195 for starters. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

03-07-2011, 08:20 PM	#22 (permalink)
cfweber Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Independence Posts: 388 Drives: 10 370Z BS 6 SP Rep Power: 15	the good old days are right now It's never been a better time to be an enthusiast. These are the best cars ever made ( with very few and very expensive exceptions) Particularly in terms of bang for the buck this is just a great time. We win no matter what. If Nissan steps up we can hope wait and dream about the new Z If not we own a rare Z and we mod I'm glad Hyundai is pushing the competition It's very good

03-07-2011, 08:55 PM	#25 (permalink)
LuckyJinx Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Lexington, SC Posts: 465 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 15	Same deal with Aero and Veyron. Aero made a car with 10hp more than then the veyron. And bugatti made another that's only 6hp more? I don't know the exact numbers. The gen coupe forums were always comparing their cars to ours. __________________

03-07-2011, 09:00 PM	#26 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 141	Nissan also has cars like the Mustang 5.0 GT to worry about too. As much as anyone says they are two totally different cars, it doesn't change the fact that all of their sales are taking away from potential sales for the 370Z. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

03-07-2011, 09:16 PM	#27 (permalink)
PapoZalsa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Not in Sunny Florida Posts: 6,358 Drives: 16 Nismo w/Tech Pack Rep Power: 4500	Move to other vehicle section! __________________ 2009 370Z MB Base w/Sport Package 6MT Modshack's Custom Air Intakes /3M Clear Bra/ Illuminated Kick Plates / F. I CBE w/12" resonators / EVO-R Front Lip / Rear Hatch Wing / Tein S-Tech Springs /Ilegal Tint in the Rep. of VA/4x20mm Z1 Spacers/ Vinyl Roof/Liquid Carbon Designs

03-07-2011, 05:47 PM	#18 (permalink)
Econ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: New York City Posts: 2,546 Drives: Fiat? Rep Power: 19	the old one only weighed in at 3389lbs. even if they keep the same weight, with 333 hp, many consumers/magazines will be comparing these two cars... im gonna need forced induction

03-07-2011, 09:32 PM	#29 (permalink)
ProfessorDave A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Scranton, PA Posts: 1,580 Drives: In the fairway Rep Power: 19	Hey! Those are my 2001 Celica wheels! I was wondering where they went. __________________ Rain, snow, sleet, hail: 2009 Mazda 3 sGT HB Everything else: 2009 370z, PW Touring 6MT

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