I highly doubt that.

AMG, ///M, and P-car customers are not Nissan customers. Walk into a BMW or Porsche dealership and walk into a Nissan dealership. The difference is substantial.

I believe the GT-R was made to compete with the 911 Turbo. Nissan specifically challenged Porsche's lap time on the Nurburgring. They most likely brought it to the US to increase their sales, its a pretty large market here.

It sure is a good time to be in the market for a sports car, i think thats something we can all agree on. Whether its a 30, 40, 50k car, there are many choices and each car company is trying to outdo the other. I really cant see myself purchasing a Hyundai sports car, but who knows what they will do with their new coupe......im sure a lot of Porsche guys said the same thing about owning a Nissan GT-R, so we'll see!

I know. They usually can't drive and return the porsche's in 2 weeks because they're "too bumpy". Just because they have the money to afford more doesn't mean a thing. The one badge they all wear proudly is paying too much for their cars. Many purchase cars for status and to compensate for other areas of their lives that are lacking (often between their legs). The GT-R has a long heritage of racing and will stack up just fine against AMG, M, or porsche.

Re: dealerships, they are extremely different. They cater to money, not really enthusiasts. Even porsche. My father went looking for a GT3 and was asking the salesman technical questions regarding the suspension and he had NO CLUE wtf he was talking about. He was more concerned with what kind of coffee my dad wanted while he waited in the lobby. BMW is also notorious for this, at least where I'm from. Jersey is loaded with people and money. Every J-Wow wanna-be drives a white 3 series with a cigarette sticking out and thump music bellowing from the harmon kardon or whatever the heck system bmw uses in their "upgraded sound" package these days and every Situation-in-training is rocking an AMG or M3, automatic of cours. Part of being a true enthusiast is knowing how and where to spend your money. If money is not a factor, by all means bring on the stampede of prancing horses in bright fire engine red.

Just from looking at the article, it looks like a grand prix/G8 to me. I'm just saying.

Some people don't have a car's performance as their top priority in the decision making process. Some like to have looks, luxury, and comfort as top priorities and then choose the high performance trim of the same model to have a good overall balance. I don't have any problem with that. Not everyone is going to track their car, so having the all out best performance car on the street means nothing to them. They want a car that is comfortable and fun to drive. One day when I get old, I will probably be one of them :icon17:

There isn't an AMG or ///M that can beat the GT-R. It's main competitors are the 911 turbo (the next gen 911's are coming out this year I think) and the Corvette. Those are all cars made specifically to be performance machines and bred for the track.

I agree. If I had the $$ my DD would be an Audi S6 or S63 AMG. Luxury, comfort, and some performance to boot (mostly straight line grunt when compared to real sports cars)

I think we should get back on topic now, lol.

My sister wanted a Genesis coupe and when I told her it was going to get 1 HP more than my Z, she just laughed at me. She wanted the V4 before, but now she wants the V6 just to have 1 HP more than me. :roflpuke2:

haha at first i wasnt mad that the Genesis would have 1 more HP, but now its kind of getting at me, they definitely did that on purpose haha. Im sure the weight of the Hyundai will be in the same ballpark as the Z too. Whenever the Hyundai comes out we will see many threads comparing the two cars, it wont be a Z vs the Mustang-it will be Z vs the Genesis.......

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I think the Z will be a bit lighter though and still have a better quality interior. From the pic in the article, the Z definitely wins in the looks category as well. I think the Z has a better chance in a comparo with the Gen coupe than the Mustang GT. The Z and the Genesis are a lot more similar too. IMO the Genesis is kind of trying to be a combination of a G37 and a 370Z, and it seems like it will be working well with the new HP bump. The HP was definitely targeted at the Z. Hyundai is aiming at us the way that Nissan is aiming at the Cayman. We know the other is better, so we just use the cost excuse :p However, the difference between the cost of the Genesis and the Z is much smaller than that between the Z and the Cayman S.

[QUOTE=ImportConvert;975096]GT-R isn't a true sports car, either, I guess.


"True sports car." Some people just hear fanboy chatter and repeat it. The Z is a traditional sports car. Gran turismo sports cars, are just as much sports cars as the traditional 2 seaters. There are cases where the GT sports car out-handles out-maneuvers and out performs traditional sports cars. And its not just the porsche 911 either... as you stated with the GT-R. Not many so called sports cars can touch it. Lol

Back to topic. All the 370z needs is a TT setup. Let the TT start right under 40k and offer around 420hp/360lb tq. Going to a v8 will change driving characteristics too much and make the car lose some handling capability. To maintain handling, Nissan would have to redesign the whole car. I honestly want more power in this same exact platform. Besides forced induction will keep it light and at under 3300lbs, the fatter cars will have more comp on its hands.
I think that the Z might have to slightly lower its msrp back to 2009 numbers on the non aspirated Z if it came out with the FI, Z. The mustang did it on the GT coupes. I think that will help boost sales for the Z as I know it will do for the mustang.
The concept of the rare car is kinda kool but, I rather the Z just win the performance war than cancel out. :happydance:

To everyone who says the GT-R is not a true sports car, I say "You're right it's not a sports car......it's a super car!" :D

so then neither is the 911 & GTR ?

any way, I don't think it was ever meant as a true sports car

I don't care if it's classified as a flying dildo...I want a GT-R

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lol... :D

333 Hyundai hp doesn't feel like 333 actual horsepower. Some cars are under estimated, in Hyundai's case I think they are overestimating to draw more young consumers.

New 5.0 Mustang GT's are rated at 412 bhp and dyno-ing at 395 whp! And they have Getrag tranny's stock. On the other end, I remember the horrific over-estimation that was the Mazda RX-8. There was such a huge discrepency between advertised bhp and power to the wheels that they actually issued customers rebates.

The 370Z is rated at 332 bhp, but puts out around 270-280 whp. I don't really know much about cars and normal drivetrain losses, but that seems like a lot compared to the figures for the mustang 5.0 that BLM gave.

It's not the drivetrain loss, it's Ford purposely under-rating the car. And it also seems like Nissan may have over-rated the Z given what it puts down stock. That's a lot of drivetrain loss for 2wd. My wrx dynoed around 50 hp less than it's advertised 227 bhp, and that was through AWD

Another thing to remember is a solid axle has slightly less drive train loss than IRS. Figures I've heard are something like 15% vs 13% in theory.

Of course it did. The advertised spec from Subaru was (as you said), 227bhp. Most dyno's measure power at the rear wheels, not the crankshaft. About an average of 15 to 20 percent difference.

Mine was the same. My dyno was 7 percent less than the Nissan advertised spec.

for some reason i have a taste for white bread with american cheeze on it and toasted just right. :yum:

Doesn't the 5.0 GT have independent rear?

but drivers on mustangs are considerably heavier on average (due to too much burgerage) so the hyundai (calbee FTW!) is faster even at 333hp.

3 car comparison
 

I think it was Motor Trend that took those 3 cars out on the road-

Maybe on the PCH or something in Cali

The Z won

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Yeah, but that was the 2010 Mustang, not the new and improved 2011 Mustang.

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OH YES! KALBI FTW! :tup:

Haha I meant galbi, although I love indian food too. :tup:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ko...d-Galbi-03.jpg

Wow datz a big pict of delicious! :yum:

it's a Hyundai sorry doesn't interest me. but to each his own.
the true sports car 2 seater is only for a select group of buyers.
there will always be a ton of people who will never consider the z
because of that no matter how much HP nissan puts into it.

i can't say for sure but i wouldn't be off much there is probably less
than 5 true sports cars meaning 2 seats that cost between 30,000 to 50,000
imho thats who the z competes with.

Dont think adding 30hp or whatever is going to bring the Hyundai down from low 14's in the quarter to low 13's and change the 0-60 from mid 5's to high 4's The latter is what the Z does. Its going to be a cool car, but it will never drive sound handle or feel like a Z.

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If Hyundai had some balls they would put a V8 under the hood and watch the competition start to worry, big time.

I drove a Hyundai Genesis and the ride was awful.. like using steel wheels..Completely unsuitable for daily driving on anything but the smoothest roads... and perhaps it was not fair, but the one I drove made a hell of a squeal when I hit the breaks even in moderate braking.. The dealer told me some rust had accumulated on them..

Additionally, the transmission was reving at 4500 rpm at 45 mph..really annoying and sure to wear it out rather quickly... again this is probably not the way it was supposed to be and the dealer should have caught that..and maybe its not fair to judge but the entire incident brings up the point that there is more to a car than a big engine.. there is the matter of QUALITY and I just dont think Hyundai has as much quality as Nissan.. Yes they have upgraded but based on my experience, and even realizing that this was just one incident and probably the dealers fault, I would still much prefer Nissan quality ..

Really - & you think the Z is like driving on clouds?

I have to disagree with the sound part. The 3.8 sounds insane, very similar to a Z actually. There is something to be said about that exhaust note...

It's not going to be as fast as a Z with the same driver, even with the extra hp/tq. It will make the car more marketable, however. A lot of people take mag times/specs extremely seriously and go solely by that, so it may help the car sell a little better. Hopefully the car won't cut power under high RPM shifts like it did when it first came out. The dealer did an ECU mod for it, but hopefully the new one won't come with it. That severely hampered the cars performance (I believe they tested it with/without and it improved by .3 and 2mph in the 1/4).

Nothing sounds like a VQ LOL. Well you might be right, you have gone through what 76 exhaust set ups by now? So you must have a good ear for exhaust sounds.

:mad: That's an insult to 300ZX 2+2 owners! Take it back!

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