Making something lighter is relatively easy, making it lighter while improving the design is a bit more challenging. It can certainly be done, obviously, it just cost money but it looks like their ok with spending a little money on R&D these days so that shouldn't be a problem

You honestly think that rule will apply to the 50th Anniv Edition of the Mustang????? The only way they would meet those weight requirements and keep it affordable would be to weigh the car before they put the engine in it. :)

It's going to be an entirely new chassis, so yes.

For the 2005 redesign the car actually got longer, wider, taller, and, well... heavier. The 2014 MY will be a good bit smaller in dimensions and the weight will be down as well. Shouldn't be hard at all considering my '03 GT weighed around 3250 lbs, and that's with an iron block 4.6L.

Amazing car.

you 'spose they will be moving to an aluminum block/heads?

They did that back in 2005.

ahh... my bad...

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what? I don't know much about mustangs... just that recently they have stepped up the game

Did you not do any research before buying your 370Z?

Just curious, as I researched everything within $20K either way of the Z06 before I bought. I would have HATED! to buy only to discover that the car I chose was constantly taking the back seat to another similarly priced car in every way, etc.

Hence the research, and hence ultimately why I am here. I considered a GTM TT 370 at one point.

I'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing with you. :p

I'm with you, man. I know WAY too much about just about every car on the road. :rofl2:

Yep. I have learned everything there is to know except what can be learned from the experience of owning a GT500, 370Z, CTS-V, Viper, and E92 M3, lol

Well, edmunds GT500 beat their.boss ls on streets of willow during same day testing. Looks like my original opinion may have been the right one. Hmmm

Edmunds is hardly a good source for performance testing, though. I wouldn't put too much weight in their numbers other than their particular driver is faster with the GT500 than he is with the Boss... which too me likely means he wasn't really wheeling the Boss around the corners like he should have been. :)

Well he was equally fail in all 3 cars, so it still stands regarding objectivity.

I didn't hear this whining about Edmunds being "off" when everyone posted the stats for the '12 GT-R they tested...

I never saw the GT-R test.

Either way, I have never held them to a high standard for performance reporting. My thought was always if I'm looking for a "normal" car their information would be pretty useful.

I agree that they don't wring the cars out like others, BUT, the same driver drove each car on the same day. I know you can argue that you don't like the source, but it's as controlled as you will get. Maybe each car had another 2 seconds in it, but I doubt that the boss had more time left in it than the more powerful GT500. If anything, I would think the GT500 would have been harder to use given the crappy differential and excessive power/tire combo. Yet he was faster in it.

What train of logic are you following that is supportive of the man extracting less total potential from the BOSS than from the GT500?

I'm not arguing that these are the best times capable, but only about how they compare to each other.

It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

need an undercover boss!
 

I would love to have the motor

the handling

but

I'm not feeling the over the top styling

too much

I saw one this weekend again when i was at the ford dealer, they look perfect for what it is...BOSS Mustang...the only thing i didnt like was that little rinky dink shifter...but thats nothing

This sums up the logic I was using exactly. Thanks Chris :tup:

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GT500 has 480whp and tons of torque just off idle, tires only as wide as a 370Z's out back, and a differential that won't even spin both tires coming out of a corner.

Lot harder to drive that GT500 to anywhere near potential than you are thinking, compared to the LS with better tires, more tractable power, better suspension, lighter weight, better balance, and a real road-racing differential (Torsen).

So if you think a nose-heavy car on skinny tires with a ton of power and a peg-leg is an easier car to lap a road coarse in, I really don't know what I can say other than stop arguing with the results. They are what they are and all the speculation in the world won't change that in the only heads-up comparison, the GT500 won.

The driver was good enough to get EXACTLY what Ford claimed out of the BOSS--2 seconds better than the GT.

Who cares if he was getting the BEST times out of the cars, he put the spread between 'em that Ford claimed--to the letter.

already at the 1/4

YouTube - 2012 Boss 302 Test and Tune

then with drag radials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

Sweet!

Here's the same car with drag radials. Stock otherwise.

Damn edits! :icon17:

Looks like a dead-ringer for the base 'vette in a straight line. Very impressive!

so i just read what makes a Boss a Boss over a 5.0...its basically a pretty heavily modified 5.0...its pretty crazy all the work that went into it...impressive

holy fucking shit that Boss is fast on some radials, that thing hooked instantly and shot out like a fuckin cannon, do want.

1.79 short-time is do-able on street tires I would think. Car has a few tenths more in it if he can get the short-time down a bit. I think it could go 11.5X's with some practice.

Yep, Ford did their homework on this one!

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His 60' was 1.69, not 1.79.

The big thing to consider here is that the base suspension cars are more suited to hooking up than the Boss, which is more of a road-racing ringer. The fun thing to consider is that all of the suspension gurus have already figured out that they can still improve on the car quite a bit with a better shock package and perhaps a Watts Link. :yum:

more improvements to the suspension??

BOSS 302 = partin partin YEAH!

Yeah, definitely. Suspension wise the Boss is a Brembo package 5.0 with a revised spring, shock, and sway bar package. It also has a torsen differential.

Basically, if i do what I plan on doing with the suspension on mine, I'll out-handle the stock Boss fairly easily. But the BOSS is just one hell of a package straight off the showroom floor as you all know now.

The intake manifold on the Boss is sweet, though. Where the base 5.0 starts to fall off in power at the top end (around 7,000 RPM) the Boss keeps pulling. The powerband on the base is sick... the Boss is even sicker!