The "Boss"

ImportConvert · 03-28-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Edmunds is hardly a good source for performance testing, though. I wouldn't put too much weight in their numbers other than their particular driver is faster with the GT500 than he is with the Boss... which too me likely means he wasn't really wheeling the Boss around the corners like he should have been.

Well he was equally fail in all 3 cars, so it still stands regarding objectivity.

I didn't hear this whining about Edmunds being "off" when everyone posted the stats for the '12 GT-R they tested...

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2011, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Well he was equally fail in all 3 cars, so it still stands regarding objectivity.

I didn't hear this whining about Edmunds being "off" when everyone posted the stats for the '12 GT-R they tested...

I never saw the GT-R test.

Either way, I have never held them to a high standard for performance reporting. My thought was always if I'm looking for a "normal" car their information would be pretty useful.

ImportConvert · 03-28-2011, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I never saw the GT-R test.

Either way, I have never held them to a high standard for performance reporting. My thought was always if I'm looking for a "normal" car their information would be pretty useful.

I agree that they don't wring the cars out like others, BUT, the same driver drove each car on the same day. I know you can argue that you don't like the source, but it's as controlled as you will get. Maybe each car had another 2 seconds in it, but I doubt that the boss had more time left in it than the more powerful GT500. If anything, I would think the GT500 would have been harder to use given the crappy differential and excessive power/tire combo. Yet he was faster in it.

What train of logic are you following that is supportive of the man extracting less total potential from the BOSS than from the GT500?

I'm not arguing that these are the best times capable, but only about how they compare to each other.

ChrisSlicks · 03-28-2011, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I agree that they don't wring the cars out like others, BUT, the same driver drove each car on the same day. I know you can argue that you don't like the source, but it's as controlled as you will get. Maybe each car had another 2 seconds in it, but I doubt that the boss had more time left in it than the more powerful GT500. If anything, I would think the GT500 would have been harder to use given the crappy differential and excessive power/tire combo. Yet he was faster in it.

What train of logic are you following that is supportive of the man extracting less total potential from the BOSS than from the GT500?

I'm not arguing that these are the best times capable, but only about how they compare to each other.

It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

cfweber · 03-28-2011, 10:15 AM

I would love to have the motor

the handling

but

I'm not feeling the over the top styling

too much

GZ3 · 03-28-2011, 10:18 AM

I saw one this weekend again when i was at the ford dealer, they look perfect for what it is...BOSS Mustang...the only thing i didnt like was that little rinky dink shifter...but thats nothing

m4a1mustang · 03-28-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

This sums up the logic I was using exactly. Thanks Chris

Red__Zed · 03-28-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

ImportConvert · 03-28-2011, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

It is easier to drive the more powerful car faster. You stomp on the gas, you stomp on the brakes and you go around the corners at the speed you are comfortable with. The lower horsepower car requires a higher level of commitment in the corners as that is the only place it is going to make up time. Horsepower always wins unless you drive like your pants are on fire.

GT500 has 480whp and tons of torque just off idle, tires only as wide as a 370Z's out back, and a differential that won't even spin both tires coming out of a corner.

Lot harder to drive that GT500 to anywhere near potential than you are thinking, compared to the LS with better tires, more tractable power, better suspension, lighter weight, better balance, and a real road-racing differential (Torsen).

So if you think a nose-heavy car on skinny tires with a ton of power and a peg-leg is an easier car to lap a road coarse in, I really don't know what I can say other than stop arguing with the results. They are what they are and all the speculation in the world won't change that in the only heads-up comparison, the GT500 won.

The driver was good enough to get EXACTLY what Ford claimed out of the BOSS--2 seconds better than the GT.

Who cares if he was getting the BEST times out of the cars, he put the spread between 'em that Ford claimed--to the letter.

Shyne · 03-30-2011, 09:09 PM

already at the 1/4

YouTube - 2012 Boss 302 Test and Tune

then with drag radials

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I

m4a1mustang · 03-30-2011, 09:12 PM

Sweet!

Here's the same car with drag radials. Stock otherwise.

m4a1mustang · 03-30-2011, 09:16 PM

Damn edits!

ImportConvert · 03-30-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Sweet!

Here's the same car with drag radials. Stock otherwise.

Looks like a dead-ringer for the base 'vette in a straight line. Very impressive!

GZ3 · 03-30-2011, 11:12 PM

so i just read what makes a Boss a Boss over a 5.0...its basically a pretty heavily modified 5.0...its pretty crazy all the work that went into it...impressive

Red370 · 03-31-2011, 12:05 AM

holy fucking shit that Boss is fast on some radials, that thing hooked instantly and shot out like a fuckin cannon, do want.

03-28-2011, 10:15 AM	#140 (permalink)
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03-28-2011, 10:18 AM	#141 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	I saw one this weekend again when i was at the ford dealer, they look perfect for what it is...BOSS Mustang...the only thing i didnt like was that little rinky dink shifter...but thats nothing __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

03-30-2011, 09:09 PM	#145 (permalink)
Shyne Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 33 Drives: 2011 Mustang GT Rep Power: 16	already at the 1/4 YouTube - 2012 Boss 302 Test and Tune then with drag radials http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLmXeUflf4I Last edited by Shyne; 03-30-2011 at 09:11 PM.

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03-30-2011, 11:12 PM	#149 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	so i just read what makes a Boss a Boss over a 5.0...its basically a pretty heavily modified 5.0...its pretty crazy all the work that went into it...impressive __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

03-31-2011, 12:05 AM	#150 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 296	holy fucking shit that Boss is fast on some radials, that thing hooked instantly and shot out like a fuckin cannon, do want. __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

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