Motor Trend Report: Toyota FT-86 to get 305hp STI engine!
 

from http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...eca/index.html


Dude! A sub 2700lb car with a 305hp engine?? Could be interesting




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http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3750/ft86d.jpg

lol someone photoshopped teh ft-86 already with volk g2s?

still...this could be very interesting....

thats from GT5

realistically I think the car will be closer to 3000lbs. I mean just to give you an idea the current Miata is roughly 2700lbs. The FT86 concept is a much larger car, has a rear seat, and will have a larger 2.5 4cly with the addition of turbo components. Unless then plan to make the car all aluminum, carbon fiber, and fiberglass (which would only drive the car north of 30k) I doubt the car will be under 3000lbs.

Which brings me to my next point. By 2013 305hp in the 25-30k market is going to be nothing special. I mean think about it, right now you can get a base 370z for 30k with 332hp or a base mustang GT with 412hp.

I'm not dogging the concept and idea, I just think Toyota and Subaru need to get more competitive. Even the Suby and Evo forums complain that their cars are falling behind the times considering the current competition. I really hope this car comes out well as it will only create more competition and variety in the market. With the right motor the Subaru version could be like a baby GTR.

Yay from the newcelica forum I remember you too banning but this is exciting woot!

that thing is ******* ugly, it looks like the genesis coupe......

When are they gonna start calling it Scion FR-S? Damn so tempting. It's like a Silvia type of car.

DAMN!
If this car is 2700 pounds and 305 horses!
That's pretty sick for a turbo rwd costing about 25,000!
GJ Toyota!
Wish Mitsubishi and Subbie teamed up for a GTR Killer under 80,000

With that power and that curb weight, you are looking at about a 4.5 sec 0-60, sub 12.5 sec 1/4 mile car. With that kind of curb weight, handling should be a breeze to set up. This is going to be a serious car if they actually pull it off.

Wow! If true, this is awesome for Toy-boat-a! They're getting back into performance!

Should call it a Supra and call it a day lol. Maybe "diet supra".

as said earlier, this WILL NOT be a 2700 pound car. Maybe in the late 90's it could have been, but US safety standards will bloat this car similar to the Z. Without the safety equipment, the Z is 3160 pound car. This car will be about 3050 to 3100. Heck, a 08 STi is 3318. Minus 250 pounds for AWD and the extra doors and you are sitting at 3068.

Unless they use lighter weight materials and ballon the cost to $35 to 40k. Then that would be interesting.

yea i dont see this car being 2700lbs...no way...

endgame: where is the safety equipment on the Z?

It is all the airbag stuff to my knowledge (seats, interior a pillars, steering wheel, passenger air bag, etc). That adds weight. I am not sure if they had to do additional body bracing/bumpers to what was already there or not, but my understanding is that the safety equipment on the 370 is above and beyond the 350 stock for stock.

Maybe someone else can chime in here?

Well you can add most of that 250lbs back in for the Suby version as it will have AWD. Also like you mention saftey regulations are strict now and by 2013 who knows how much more will have to be standard which will increase weight. I'm guessing 3200-3300lbs for this car at the end of the day.

Interesting pics....

FT86 concept size compared to other cars | Tune86 - FT-86 news

If those pics are accurate, this thing is tiny! I think they may have fudged a bit.

If that picture is true (s2k v FT86) then the back seat is worthless and should just be removed.

http://www.tune86.com/sites/default/...onda_s2000.jpg

It also means this thing would haul with 300 ponies.

wow if this thing really is this small and powerful, the Z might have some serious competition

Plus it's turbo...the tuning potential for this thing will be immense for next to nothing in dollars. :O

ok, now it's finally starting to sound interesting to me. :yum:

mid-$20K is no issue. hell, release a TRD version for $30K. with the rear seats i would consider replacing my aging G35C. :D

I would trade my z in for this if it turns out good.

Depends for me. I'm a big fatarse. I can't fit in a Lotus Elise. I am uncomfortable in Miatas and S2K's. So, if it's small inside, I'm boned.

I guess the only choice for a light sports car these days is a Lotus Elise, or maybe a stripped Boxer. Oops, I forgot the Miata, though I wonder how many members of this forum would go that route. I would. My priorities will always be lightness and handling, if the alternative is a heavier car with more power.

/\ agreed.

don't safety requirements get bumped up again in '12? This car will weigh between 3100 and 3300 lbs I bet. Performance will maybe match our Z's stock, but the attraction is the modability of that turbo motor vs. our n/a VQ imo.

Is a Toyota, so I would consider it, since by 2013 the Z is going to be 4 yrs old with no warranty.

I think the Z is small enough for me. Not sure I would pick this up. I would rather stay with an icon in Japan and the US.

Can't wait to see this end product though. I bet most Americans will be unable to fit in it. Also, at that price, something's got to give.... With the Z people say it was NVH, I wonder what it will be with this.

I don't know... if this car had the STI engine and cost 30-35k I would trust it more. Also, it is suppose to be under the Scion brand. Something seems off to me...

All that said, I would not be surprised to see the Z go down the turbo 4 route like the next BMW 1M coupe will do. Lightweight, high-revving turbo 4; that or price will go into the 40s for the next Z.

as good as this sounds, i would never trade my Z in for this, just see it as formidable competition...get of my Z?? hell no! the Z is an Icon with Heritage...if i didnt do it for the 5.0, sure as hell wont do it for this thing

werd

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this is going to be a very formidible car...3000ish with an ej25..the mods are endless on this motor...it'll be scary fast.