Motor Trend Report: Toyota FT-86 to get 305hp STI engine!

BanningZ · 01-04-2011, 01:48 AM

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Toyota Extending Subaru Product Sharing to Highlander-Tribeca

FT-86 to Get More Powerful Subie STI Engine

January 03, 2011 / By Todd Lassa

Toyota is studying how to more closely converge its products with Subaru, and might share its next-generation Highlander midsize crossover platform with the Tribeca. The two have similar dimensions, notes a source familiar with the tie-in.

As always with Subaru, the sticking point is how to share a platform that would use a longitudinally mounted boxer engine, in the case of the Tribeca, with a transverse-mounted engine, as in the Highlander. The platform also will have to accommodate a hybrid version of the Highlander, and it's a good bet the system would be adapted to the pancake-engine Tribeca.

Toyota tackles the problem with the upcoming FT-86 rear-wheel-drive sports coupe by going with a Subaru pancake engine -- the STI's 305-horsepower, 290 pound-foot version of the 2.5-liter turbo four, our source says. Earlier reports had the FT-86 launching with less-powerful Subaru engines. Toyota's development costs have ballooned, however, and the FT-86 is now seen as a mid-$20s car rather than a sub-$20,000 car.

Subaru's version of the 086A, as the project is known, is still scheduled for 2013 model year introduction and will likely be sold with all-wheel drive only, as part of its differentiation from the Toyota.

Subaru is leading development of the 086A, while the converged crossover platform looks to be more of a Toyota project. To accommodate both types of engines, the platform could be the same from the A-pillar back, but would need a different floorpan from the firewall forward. Subaru's flat engines require specific solutions for crash standards.

As for the crossover/utility vehicles, both the Camry-based Toyota Highlander and the slow-selling Subaru Tribeca are due for replacement in the 2014 model year.

from http://www.motortrend.com/features/a...eca/index.html

Dude! A sub 2700lb car with a 305hp engine?? Could be interesting

phelan · 01-04-2011, 01:59 AM

lol someone photoshopped teh ft-86 already with volk g2s?

still...this could be very interesting....

MC · 01-04-2011, 03:11 AM

thats from GT5

280z/300zx · 01-04-2011, 03:39 AM

realistically I think the car will be closer to 3000lbs. I mean just to give you an idea the current Miata is roughly 2700lbs. The FT86 concept is a much larger car, has a rear seat, and will have a larger 2.5 4cly with the addition of turbo components. Unless then plan to make the car all aluminum, carbon fiber, and fiberglass (which would only drive the car north of 30k) I doubt the car will be under 3000lbs.

Which brings me to my next point. By 2013 305hp in the 25-30k market is going to be nothing special. I mean think about it, right now you can get a base 370z for 30k with 332hp or a base mustang GT with 412hp.

I'm not dogging the concept and idea, I just think Toyota and Subaru need to get more competitive. Even the Suby and Evo forums complain that their cars are falling behind the times considering the current competition. I really hope this car comes out well as it will only create more competition and variety in the market. With the right motor the Subaru version could be like a baby GTR.

k20z3 · 01-04-2011, 03:52 AM

Yay from the newcelica forum I remember you too banning but this is exciting woot!

chii370 · 01-04-2011, 04:34 AM

that thing is ******* ugly, it looks like the genesis coupe......

Rui Z · 01-04-2011, 05:50 AM

When are they gonna start calling it Scion FR-S? Damn so tempting. It's like a Silvia type of car.

CrownR426 · 01-04-2011, 08:12 AM

DAMN!
If this car is 2700 pounds and 305 horses!
That's pretty sick for a turbo rwd costing about 25,000!
GJ Toyota!
Wish Mitsubishi and Subbie teamed up for a GTR Killer under 80,000

Lug · 01-04-2011, 12:51 PM

With that power and that curb weight, you are looking at about a 4.5 sec 0-60, sub 12.5 sec 1/4 mile car. With that kind of curb weight, handling should be a breeze to set up. This is going to be a serious car if they actually pull it off.

shadoquad · 01-04-2011, 12:53 PM

Wow! If true, this is awesome for Toy-boat-a! They're getting back into performance!

Should call it a Supra and call it a day lol. Maybe "diet supra".

Endgame · 01-04-2011, 01:14 PM

as said earlier, this WILL NOT be a 2700 pound car. Maybe in the late 90's it could have been, but US safety standards will bloat this car similar to the Z. Without the safety equipment, the Z is 3160 pound car. This car will be about 3050 to 3100. Heck, a 08 STi is 3318. Minus 250 pounds for AWD and the extra doors and you are sitting at 3068.

Unless they use lighter weight materials and ballon the cost to $35 to 40k. Then that would be interesting.

GZ3 · 01-04-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

as said earlier, this WILL NOT be a 2700 pound car. Maybe in the late 90's it could have been, but US safety standards will bloat this car similar to the Z. Without the safety equipment, the Z is 3160 pound car. This car will be about 3050 to 3100. Heck, a 08 STi is 3318. Minus 250 pounds for AWD and the extra doors and you are sitting at 3068.

Unless they use lighter weight materials and ballon the cost to $35 to 40k. Then that would be interesting.

yea i dont see this car being 2700lbs...no way...

endgame: where is the safety equipment on the Z?

Endgame · 01-04-2011, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GZ3

yea i dont see this car being 2700lbs...no way...

endgame: where is the safety equipment on the Z?

It is all the airbag stuff to my knowledge (seats, interior a pillars, steering wheel, passenger air bag, etc). That adds weight. I am not sure if they had to do additional body bracing/bumpers to what was already there or not, but my understanding is that the safety equipment on the 370 is above and beyond the 350 stock for stock.

Maybe someone else can chime in here?

280z/300zx · 01-04-2011, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Endgame

as said earlier, this WILL NOT be a 2700 pound car. Maybe in the late 90's it could have been, but US safety standards will bloat this car similar to the Z. Without the safety equipment, the Z is 3160 pound car. This car will be about 3050 to 3100. Heck, a 08 STi is 3318. Minus 250 pounds for AWD and the extra doors and you are sitting at 3068.

Unless they use lighter weight materials and ballon the cost to $35 to 40k. Then that would be interesting.

Well you can add most of that 250lbs back in for the Suby version as it will have AWD. Also like you mention saftey regulations are strict now and by 2013 who knows how much more will have to be standard which will increase weight. I'm guessing 3200-3300lbs for this car at the end of the day.

Lug · 01-05-2011, 11:50 AM

Interesting pics....

FT86 concept size compared to other cars | Tune86 - FT-86 news

If those pics are accurate, this thing is tiny! I think they may have fudged a bit.

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01-04-2011, 05:50 AM	#7 (permalink)
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01-04-2011, 08:12 AM	#8 (permalink)
CrownR426 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: South Korea Posts: 4,676 Drives: Manual Rep Power: 848	DAMN! If this car is 2700 pounds and 305 horses! That's pretty sick for a turbo rwd costing about 25,000! GJ Toyota! Wish Mitsubishi and Subbie teamed up for a GTR Killer under 80,000 __________________ Love + Hardwork + Passion RIP SVTRacer

01-04-2011, 03:39 AM	#4 (permalink)
280z/300zx Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Nevada Posts: 689 Drives: 280z, 300zx, Vette Rep Power: 272	realistically I think the car will be closer to 3000lbs. I mean just to give you an idea the current Miata is roughly 2700lbs. The FT86 concept is a much larger car, has a rear seat, and will have a larger 2.5 4cly with the addition of turbo components. Unless then plan to make the car all aluminum, carbon fiber, and fiberglass (which would only drive the car north of 30k) I doubt the car will be under 3000lbs. Which brings me to my next point. By 2013 305hp in the 25-30k market is going to be nothing special. I mean think about it, right now you can get a base 370z for 30k with 332hp or a base mustang GT with 412hp. I'm not dogging the concept and idea, I just think Toyota and Subaru need to get more competitive. Even the Suby and Evo forums complain that their cars are falling behind the times considering the current competition. I really hope this car comes out well as it will only create more competition and variety in the market. With the right motor the Subaru version could be like a baby GTR.

01-04-2011, 04:34 AM	#6 (permalink)
chii370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 642 Drives: . Rep Power: 16	that thing is ******* ugly, it looks like the genesis coupe......

01-04-2011, 12:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	With that power and that curb weight, you are looking at about a 4.5 sec 0-60, sub 12.5 sec 1/4 mile car. With that kind of curb weight, handling should be a breeze to set up. This is going to be a serious car if they actually pull it off. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

01-04-2011, 12:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
shadoquad A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: . Posts: 42,608 Drives: . Rep Power: 3886	Wow! If true, this is awesome for Toy-boat-a! They're getting back into performance! Should call it a Supra and call it a day lol. Maybe "diet supra".

01-04-2011, 01:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
Endgame A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,613 Drives: Nothing Now! Rep Power: 224	as said earlier, this WILL NOT be a 2700 pound car. Maybe in the late 90's it could have been, but US safety standards will bloat this car similar to the Z. Without the safety equipment, the Z is 3160 pound car. This car will be about 3050 to 3100. Heck, a 08 STi is 3318. Minus 250 pounds for AWD and the extra doors and you are sitting at 3068. Unless they use lighter weight materials and ballon the cost to $35 to 40k. Then that would be interesting.

01-05-2011, 11:50 AM	#15 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	Interesting pics.... FT86 concept size compared to other cars \| Tune86 - FT-86 news If those pics are accurate, this thing is tiny! I think they may have fudged a bit. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs Last edited by Lug; 01-05-2011 at 11:56 AM.

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