Nissan Juke, the beginning of the return of Turbocharged Z's?

Dark_Sub_Rosa · 11-10-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Even though the Z is closely heading towards a niche market, Nissan will want to keep it around for a while as it shares a lot of components with it's sister car, the G coupe. If you combine their sales, i'm assuming its stall a profitable platform. Who know, maybe a electric motor assist could be in the future like the effeciantdynamics from BMW or the hybrid from Porsche.

I see something like this being way more likely than any boosted version. I'm sure they'll continue to sell them, all the tooling and work is done now, they just produce and sell. I just don't think we'll be seeing anything as soon as we saw the 350 to 370 jump. The G is pretty profitable for them I would think more so than the Z. I'm sure they aren't just bleeding money on Z sales but probably not making a ton either.

murphman · 11-10-2010, 07:37 PM

here is your larger 4 banger in a coupe

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sonic370 · 11-10-2010, 07:41 PM

i look at it like this. the z is now an icon for nissian if it wasn't an important
part of the company they never would have re done the 370..

there is a market for a 35 to 45 grand two seater and nissan imho owns it..

the same way chevy has kept the vette around for over 50 years its part of their brand....

if chevy can make a 450-500 hp car... the next z has to have at least 375-400 hp. if for no other reason to keep the 5.0 and camaro in site...

imo right know in the US those cars set the bar

FL 4Motion · 11-10-2010, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic370

i look at it like this. the z is now an icon for nissian if it wasn't an important
part of the company they never would have re done the 370..

there is a market for a 35 to 45 grand two seater and nissan imho owns it..

the same way chevy has kept the vette around for over 50 years its part of their brand....

if chevy can make a 450-500 hp car... the next z has to have at least 375-400 hp. if for no other reason to keep the 5.0 and camaro in site...

imo right know in the US those cars set the bar

/\ I agree with this. The Z is an iconic car for nissan going back to 1969. It's their affordable sports car. I don't see it going away, but I think we'll def see some sort of hybrid type drive in it at some point, perhaps as early as the Z35, ie. DI w/brake energy regeneration, mild hybrid type drive assist.

I'd love to see a 3.0 DI turbo w/brake force energy regeneration (or whatever it's called) making 400hp in the next Z, but we'll see.

Nissan won't put a v8 in the Z b/c it's traditionally always been a 6 banger. Same reason that the GTR won't see one eithter, it's always been a 6 or turbo 6 banger. Not too mention that the v8 is going the way of the dodo bird with increasing fuel efficiency standards all around.

MC can probably elaborate, but the racing GTR's that currently utilize a v8 are doing so either to accomodate the racing body rulebook or b/c an N/A motor is more reliable in endurance racing events.

gorillanismo · 11-11-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

/\ I agree with this. The Z is an iconic car for nissan going back to 1969. It's their affordable sports car. I don't see it going away, but I think we'll def see some sort of hybrid type drive in it at some point, perhaps as early as the Z35, ie. DI w/brake energy regeneration, mild hybrid type drive assist.

I'd love to see a 3.0 DI turbo w/brake force energy regeneration (or whatever it's called) making 400hp in the next Z, but we'll see.Nissan won't put a v8 in the Z b/c it's traditionally always been a 6 banger. Same reason that the GTR won't see one eithter, it's always been a 6 or turbo 6 banger. Not too mention that the v8 is going the way of the dodo bird with increasing fuel efficiency standards all around.

MC can probably elaborate, but the racing GTR's that currently utilize a v8 are doing so either to accomodate the racing body rulebook or b/c an N/A motor is more reliable in endurance racing events.

for me if they make a Hybrid Z Nissan dies for me, thats a masacre for a true sports car!!!

370Zsteve · 11-11-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by gorillanismo

for me if they make a Hybrid Z Nissan dies for me, thats a masacre for a true sports car!!!

Yeah, a terrible thing.

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Tius · 11-11-2010, 10:32 AM

just like others have said, i agree that a v8 won't happen in a new z. not only is it against tradition, but the world is progressing to a more fuel-energy conscious mind and that would further inhibit sales. the z is already a niche car being a 2-seater sports car.

as far as a boosted car, it would nice to dream, but adding 10k more to this car? its a 2 seater sports car that starts out at 30k. now we're talking base of 40k. 40k and we're talking base corvette territory. from an economics standpoint, i think it wouldn't make sense to start competing on a corvette level unless the performance was on par. however, if you make a z that performs just as well, if not better than a corvette, you cut into gtr sales.

i think the 30-40k niche sports car is where nissan feels comfortable with the z. most likely a mid generation refresh with di to compete with the new 5.0 stang and upcoming z28 camaro would be most likely, while sticking to the current price range.

jakoye · 11-11-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Tius

just like others have said, i agree that a v8 won't happen in a new z. not only is it against tradition, but the world is progressing to a more fuel-energy conscious mind and that would further inhibit sales. the z is already a niche car being a 2-seater sports car.

as far as a boosted car, it would nice to dream, but adding 10k more to this car? its a 2 seater sports car that starts out at 30k. now we're talking base of 40k. 40k and we're talking base corvette territory. from an economics standpoint, i think it wouldn't make sense to start competing on a corvette level unless the performance was on par. however, if you make a z that performs just as well, if not better than a corvette, you cut into gtr sales.

i think the 30-40k niche sports car is where nissan feels comfortable with the z. most likely a mid generation refresh with di to compete with the new 5.0 stang and upcoming z28 camaro would be most likely, while sticking to the current price range.

But the Juke has a turbo and it's around 20K. Why can't Nissan boost the power of that engine up to Z-level without breaking the price tag? Why does everyone automatically add 10K to a new Z with a turbo?

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Tius Base Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 16 Drives: 09 Base Silver 370Z Rep Power: 17	just like others have said, i agree that a v8 won't happen in a new z. not only is it against tradition, but the world is progressing to a more fuel-energy conscious mind and that would further inhibit sales. the z is already a niche car being a 2-seater sports car. as far as a boosted car, it would nice to dream, but adding 10k more to this car? its a 2 seater sports car that starts out at 30k. now we're talking base of 40k. 40k and we're talking base corvette territory. from an economics standpoint, i think it wouldn't make sense to start competing on a corvette level unless the performance was on par. however, if you make a z that performs just as well, if not better than a corvette, you cut into gtr sales. i think the 30-40k niche sports car is where nissan feels comfortable with the z. most likely a mid generation refresh with di to compete with the new 5.0 stang and upcoming z28 camaro would be most likely, while sticking to the current price range.