Nissan Juke, the beginning of the return of Turbocharged Z's?

gorillanismo · 11-09-2010, 01:42 PM

hi everyone, finally Nissan gives one step forth and launches this new cross with a 1.6L DI Turbo engine, that gives 188bhp.
I hope that Nissan with this initiative finally brings a new ZX turbo, maybe a 300ZX DI Turbo?? i hope so...

what you think??

370zproject · 11-09-2010, 01:47 PM

they may just be testing it for the Z ....

theDreamer · 11-09-2010, 01:58 PM

Probably not, sort of.
A lot of companies are going to move this direction, smaller displacement with a turbo. This provides the ability to up MPG while still providing power on tap if needed.

On the argument of a Z getting a turbo, probably not in a VQ3.7L size, but maybe a smaller engine. Though really, I feel for the Z or Nissan's next sport car it is about DI testing.

Jamaica · 11-09-2010, 02:03 PM

stock turbo on the z will be huge. I bet they will have alot more or sales.

gorillanismo · 11-09-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Probably not, sort of.
A lot of companies are going to move this direction, smaller displacement with a turbo. This provides the ability to up MPG while still providing power on tap if needed.

On the argument of a Z getting a turbo, probably not in a VQ3.7L size, but maybe a smaller engine. Though really, I feel for the Z or Nissan's next sport car it is about DI testing.

of course, thats why I said, revive the 300ZX, the Z with a 3.0L DOHC DI Turbo with approx. 375 bhp will be perfect!!!

Ford is considering it with the F150 and the Mustang, I think that if Nissan do this in the Z it will be a grand slam!!!

also i will like to see the 1.6L DI Turbo on the Nissan Sentra SE-R...

theDreamer · 11-09-2010, 02:12 PM

The F150 already has the V6 eco boost engine this year.
The Mustang has been said by Ford many times it will keep the V8 as its primary power house.

I think we will see a new engine in the next Z, probably a NA DI high revving motor but no forced induction. I do not think FI is going to boost sales that much for the Z, it is a very niche car and throwing on FI will probably add another 10k to the price.

Jamaica · 11-09-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The F150 already has the V6 eco boost engine this year.
The Mustang has been said by Ford many times it will keep the V8 as its primary power house.

I think we will see a new engine in the next Z, probably a NA DI high revving motor but no forced induction. I do not think FI is going to boost sales that much for the Z, it is a very niche car and throwing on FI will probably add another 10k to the price.

will be interesting to see what nissan does with the upcoming z

theDreamer · 11-09-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951

will be interesting to see what nissan does with the upcoming z

Yep, I think the bigger factor might not be the engine but do they go with a lighter car for the next generation maybe?
I could see them easily make a 3.0L high revving NA car that weights 2900 pounds but at the same time continue the line with a 3500lb car with a decent 3.9L engine.

Jamaica · 11-09-2010, 02:44 PM

I think they will have two engine classes. 3.0 diesel and maybe a 3.8 liter?

theDreamer · 11-09-2010, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951

I think they will have two engine classes. 3.0 diesel and maybe a 3.8 liter?

I do not see the diesel happening, that partnership is purely for engine development on SUV/sedan chassis since Nissan knows it needs to tap that market more.
I would find it hard to see two engines, I think Nissan does well with a 3.7L NA and a 3.8TT setup, while not like the American companies where they do a V6 & a V8 in the same chassis. Nissan does the V6 30k car and V6TT 80k car.

Jamaica · 11-09-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

I do not see the diesel happening, that partnership is purely for engine development on SUV/sedan chassis since Nissan knows it needs to tap that market more.
I would find it hard to see two engines, I think Nissan does well with a 3.7L NA and a 3.8TT setup, while not like the American companies where they do a V6 & a V8 in the same chassis. Nissan does the V6 30k car and V6TT 80k car.

V6 TT is a GTR. I doubt that will raise the price to 80k. More like a 5k engine option. Meaning if Nissan does that GTR Engine would be bigger. 4.2 litter TT

theDreamer · 11-09-2010, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951

V6 TT is a GTR. I doubt that will raise the price to 80k. More like a 5k engine option. Meaning if Nissan does that GTR Engine would be bigger. 4.2 litter TT

No way it would be a 5k increase just for throwing in the 3.8TT, easily a 10k increase.
Also, not sure the 3.8TT is setup for a manual so will Nissan also go with the single transmission option? That will add a large price to maintenance and a lot of people will not like that.

Jamaica · 11-09-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

No way it would be a 5k increase just for throwing in the 3.8TT, easily a 10k increase.
Also, not sure the 3.8TT is setup for a manual so will Nissan also go with the single transmission option? That will add a large price to maintenance and a lot of people will not like that.

Your right forgot about the tranny. When you think about it with the dual clutch and 3.8 TT price will be alot more. But the tranny has to be built well if they drop the 3.8TT in the Z. I can see them adding another 15k from the base price of the Z. They can do this if they want to step up the level of the GTR. But one issue is figuring out the VVEL.

theDreamer · 11-09-2010, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951

Your right forgot about the tranny. When you think about it with the dual clutch and 3.8 TT price will be alot more. But the tranny has to be built well if they drop the 3.8TT in the Z. I can see them adding another 15k from the base price of the Z. They can do this if they want to step up the level of the GTR. But one issue is figuring out the VVEL.

Well if they do the 3.8TT then VVEL is out the door I think.
If they could do the 3.8TT around a manual transmission I think they could do it for a 10k price increase and it will keep the maintenance down for the average joe.

Then the only questions is, what do they do with the GTR...V8TT?

gorillanismo · 11-09-2010, 03:16 PM

yes, FI increase price, but increase sales too, the market competition of the Z is a little limited, but if it goes FI it can go to the Mustang GT or Camaro territory, or BMW, etc...

its a lo t of people who wants to see again a ZX Turbo legend on the streets, plus now that no other japanese manufacturer have anything similar...
so Nissan can hoard the japanese people and some domestic or euro people...

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theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	Probably not, sort of. A lot of companies are going to move this direction, smaller displacement with a turbo. This provides the ability to up MPG while still providing power on tap if needed. On the argument of a Z getting a turbo, probably not in a VQ3.7L size, but maybe a smaller engine. Though really, I feel for the Z or Nissan's next sport car it is about DI testing. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

11-09-2010, 02:12 PM	#6 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	The F150 already has the V6 eco boost engine this year. The Mustang has been said by Ford many times it will keep the V8 as its primary power house. I think we will see a new engine in the next Z, probably a NA DI high revving motor but no forced induction. I do not think FI is going to boost sales that much for the Z, it is a very niche car and throwing on FI will probably add another 10k to the price. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

11-09-2010, 03:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
gorillanismo Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 112 Drives: 03Chevrolet Cavalier Rep Power: 16	yes, FI increase price, but increase sales too, the market competition of the Z is a little limited, but if it goes FI it can go to the Mustang GT or Camaro territory, or BMW, etc... its a lo t of people who wants to see again a ZX Turbo legend on the streets, plus now that no other japanese manufacturer have anything similar... so Nissan can hoard the japanese people and some domestic or euro people... __________________ SHIFT: The Future NISSAN

11-09-2010, 02:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 73	stock turbo on the z will be huge. I bet they will have alot more or sales.

11-09-2010, 02:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
Jamaica A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 15,362 Drives: Under boost Rep Power: 73	I think they will have two engine classes. 3.0 diesel and maybe a 3.8 liter?

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